epic beast is in town

[Lakki]

Fair enough, would have to ask Sisix for yourself, Or I could ask him.I remember him saying he wasn't sure if he got credit when he did complete his epic task after the reboot. guy was just very, very angry. and I'm pretty sure he did refresh the page. ah well, things happen. Glad you fixed things up, thanks for sending out another beast and the apology is accepted. Although I will admit, you scared the hell out of us with that one O.o

[SiSiX]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

The reset in question was not done without warning. The player Sisix said "wait a minute" in chat after the yellow text warning, three minutes passed, then another yellow text, then the reset. Is there an actual issue resuming epic tasks after a manual reboot? As far as we know, they should be able to be resumed from where they were left off. You just need to make note of your previous tracking clues in case you lose chat, but you shouldn't even lose chat as long as you allow autorelog to get you back into the game.

Doesn't do a whole lot of good when the test manages to wipe out your left chat window. (You know, the on that actually shows you what's going on. Since I couldn't SEE what I was doing at all at that point, other than Cannot load resource/xxxxx.jpg etc., and even after the server relogged me after the "Test", I still couldn't see what I was doing in that window.

I "assume" I killed an epic task because a few squares from where I was in grasslands I hit something that took more than a few hits to kill and popped up a disease icon on me, but I can't really be sure since I had no chat window to know what I was fighting, whether I got credit for it, or what really was going on. Last I knew, logging out and relogging reset your task, so after an hour, I wasn't going to waste the time.

More to the point, the bigger issue here is why are you running unannounced "tests" (yes, 3 minutes warning is called "unannounced" in any company out there) on a production server at what is effectively midday? Is it really too hard to put up a note in the forums that you're going to be running a test around such and such a time? You're got a forum specifically for server downtime that hasn't been updated since 12-13-2015. If it was an "emergency" that would be one thing, but "test" doesn't really rise to the level of "emergency" in any business I've ever been involved with.

I understand that you're trying to put together a mobile client. I understand you're trying to work the bugs out of the PC client. It's called a TEST SERVER. Companies use them for a reason. So that their paying clients don't get pissed off when the production server goes down with little to no warning. (And 3 minutes is considered little to no warning.)

So yeah, your test made the game nearly unplayable for me after spending nearly an hour on an epic task that I'm still not 100% certain I completed or not. I have no real way of knowing whether that was an hour of my life wasted or not do to your "test". Am I pissed off about it? You bet I am? There is zero reason for any business (I don't care if it's a game, a hospital, a government agency, retail, technology, service, utility, or whatever) to suddenly decide to have an unplanned, spur of the moment "test" because they get a bug in their britches when they have paying customers. And if they do, then they dammed well better have a explanation for what and why it is that they just did what they did. Otherwise they're going to find that their paying customers are going to be going elsewhere.

I've been a loyal player since just before this game came out of Beta. I've easily been in the top 1% of your TC purchasers over the last 15 months and most likely longer (and if I haven't, then you really didn't have a need for the Kickstarter). I've seen a lot of changes in the game, most of them for the good. And you and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but I've always been a supporter. But recently I've seen things that have made me wonder what the heck is going on exactly and where the priorities are. You personally insulted Tharkas a couple weeks back and he'll no longer buy TC's. The increase in resets, the thing with the Beast today, coping player's builds and leaving them to slowly decay in the tops list. (I see Xstest's team, Xshadowedxx's clone for those not in the know, is ranked 15th in arena at this moment).

Nodiatis is a fairly small community now and if you can't be honest with us about where the game is going, maybe it's time to shut the whole thing down rather than string us along till the lights suddenly go out. The Kickstarter was a blatant money grab if ever there was one Glitch. I've re-read that Kickstarter over a dozen times now, and I'm still not exactly sure what it was you were asking for the $25k for? Was it to write 4 more clients (Mac, Linux, Android, iOS)? Was it to replace the HTML5 client with WebGL? Both? It's really unclear. None of the rewards was really made for anyone that wasn't already playing the game and the levels honestly were, well, I'm not ever going to bother to criticize them. We'll just say that even for a hardware offering they were 'out there'. And all of them were geared towards existing players, not anyone new.

If you needed the cash infusion, you could have asked us in game you know. There's a good chance those of us with TC addictions, even after that mind blowingly expensive solo season we might have opened our wallets a bit further to help out.

But this stuff that's been happening, and largely leaving us in the dark. And the sudden cash grab? Well, we can all see when the last update was on the RWK forum.

Regardless, I wish the best for you sir. It's been a good ride up to this point.

Peace,
SiSiX

[Blaze]

iirc if combat gets interrupted you can re-enter combat on square to fight epic quest mob...not 100% sure...it came up on some thread like a year ago so with my memory could be wrong.

[SiSiX]

Couldn't see anything of any worth in the left chat window, where all the pertinent mob, quest, and PM information is. So really wouldn't have made any difference at all. Just a list of assets that couldn't be loaded...that came up BEFORE the reset AND cleared everything else in that window.

[Glitchless]

There are instances where we simply need to reload the live server in order to test on the live server and not delay development. Reloads have been tailored to be as unharmful to players as possible, generally being a net gain for those who are online when they occur. Rest assured that reloads are not happening because we are cheap or lazy or to irk you, and that it is a calculated trade off to hasten development.

The issue you had with the "Cannot load ..." message wiping your chat is the real problem here - and it is something we can and will fix with a patch tonight.

And as a reminder, our overall downtime is far less than a company like Blizzard - who has more than a few test servers - where servers are commonly down for many hours on patch days. We are confident that our community will survive the occasional midday reload.

[Melusinenyxie]

[SiSiX]

Originally Posted by Melusinenyxie

Actually Mel, I'M usually the one that's the apologist for Glitch.

One of the things I did previously professionally was asset protection (loss prevention, theft prevention, call it what you will) internally, and looking for changes in behavior is one of the things we did. I see signs of that here. That more than anything is what bothers me and worries me.

Glitch, I know probably better than most that expecting 100% uptime is a pipe dream, and the amount of uptime compared to a certain 3rd outing at killing a certain demonic foe has been F***ing annoying to say the least. But there have been things done recently that are...concerning...for someone with my background and training. And you're slipping a lot more in the forums between the corporate "We" and the personal "I" also.

As I said, this game is a lot more like family than a lot of other games are, most likely because the player base is as small as it is and you do go back and forth with us like you do. So if there are issues, we're probably a lot more likely to rally behind you than throw you under the bus. But some communication, realistic communication would be appreciated.


As to the other issue, with the chat window side, I didn't even get a disconnection notice or couldn't connect to the server (those 49, 39, 29... sec countdown warnings) like normal. It simply wiped what was there and displayed the couldn't find asset lines for me. After the reset, the same thing showed. The right side window was fine. Also, for the last week, the auto relog has not been working and nothing has changed on my end.

Hope that helps.

SiSiX

[Glitchless]

Hopefully you won't have those issues since last night's client patch. Please let us know.

[Darklords]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

As I said, this game is a lot more like family than a lot of other games are, most likely because the player base is as small as it is and you do go back and forth with us like you do. So if there are issues, we're probably a lot more likely to rally behind you than throw you under the bus. But some communication, realistic communication would be appreciated.

SiSiX

id agree with six on this matter if you has issues and need help let us know whats going on, I for 1 aint farming much atm but still wish to see this game growing in the right direction were are a supportive community for the most part.

but leaving us in the dark aint going to help any 1 just piss most of us off. allowing us to see the direction ur heading will at least give us somthing to look forward too.

[Glitchless]

http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=18912

[SiSiX]

http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=19162

Originally Posted by Glitchless

All good points.

We're open to suggestions about spicing up real pvp (as opposed to clan wars).

For clan wars, a completely different system for gaining dominance and territory would be best. Siegecraft is what we're calling our loose idea of an alternative. We still have to prioritize our commitment to get the Android and iOS apps out, however.

This is what I was referring to. This would seem to imply that getting a mobile app (of ALL the options listed) is the priority for "team" Glitch. Which is fine if that's what's going to float your boat and pay the bills, but that's also not a quick 3 minute project either. I'd rather know up front that that is the priority over everything else if that is indeed the case. (As an "App" version of the game really would need to change a number of aspects of the game to be a successful App and/or run on a different server.) Being told to select what we want to see and then a couple of forums over being told that one of those selections is actually the priority sends to me at least mixed signals, especially after the confusing Kickstarter campaign.


As the lost chat window, it was all fine when I logged in the next day. Never seen that issue before, haven't seen it since. Still can't get the autolog to actually relog me after a reset anymore though.

SiSiX

[Glitchless]

From the thread I linked, that is on the list as:
"Nodiatis App - An app version of Nodiatis that would play better on your phone than the current method of playing Nodiatis in your phone's browser."

So for this year we intend to finish the PC client, the App, and 2 more items from the list, prioritizing the app, which is a major project.

[Tharkas]

It seems as if the majority of your player base did not vote for the app to be their priority though. I understand your need for this game to continue to grow and to continue to earn money to keep it running, but if you let us vote on what we want to see and then you tell us what the priorities going to be it upsets quite a few people. You should have told us up front that this was your priority and that we could go on these other things. Part of the issue here comes from us being such a small player base, we feel that since there are fewer of us that you would pay more attention to us. I'm not saying you don't care what we say, I'm just saying to be more transparent with what your wishes are for the game so that way we know what to expect. Many of us have come to love this game, the community, and everything about nod. We just want to see our game continue to grow with our input.


Also just an FYI that this entire post was done with speech to text on my phone. I'm not going to take the time to reread everything right now and edit it, so if something does not make sense just do your best to translate

[Darklords]

^ what he said i personally dont see the advantage to having an app for nod. however i would like to be proven wrong... if the app is coming no matter our opinions, but aint high on the lists of things i wanted to see in this year :/

[Tharkas]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

You personally insulted Tharkas a couple weeks back and he'll no longer buy TC's.

To be fair I've bought 1 tc since that point because i wanted to test how much gold I could farm during beast bonus @ 100% and didn't have the rrt to do so. In the long run I do not see myself buying $200 to $500 worth of tcs just to get new lg's or upkeep face anymore though.

[Freakymagic]

There are a few people i know that play nod only on mobile or spend fair amount of time on mobile. Personally i think its terrible trying to play on phone/tablet but if they can play it on mobile now then if an app is done up nice a larger amount may as well.

The fact that glitch gives us options and the ability to vote for something (which honestly the amount of people who posted on the forum thread is like 5%? of nod so means next to nothing imo) should be viewed as it is, a nice change of pace compared to games that dont give a **** and do 100% what they want. As well of the few people that voted on the thread, there were some asking for mobile app, so its not like its a 100% " WTF why are you doing this we dont want this" decision.

Also, @ the tharkas....incident? at the time (and i may be miss remembering) i thought it was a joke and tharkas was overly sensitive. Glitchs only other option is never chat or have interactions with chat which iirc in civil lately people have been asking for more of that so... *shrug*