39 shield. exploit?

[Blaze]

a lot of people have, for a while now. been complaining about the 39 shield exploit (the most profitable epic crafting exploit since derinium got changed). I did the math on derinium and got that nerfed. so I figured I could use more tcs and i'd do math on this one. now for deriniums. you could casually buy all mats at full market value. and make 18k profit per gem.

39 epic shield has a sell to store value of 59,985g.


master mats are:
1 t14 dye 1,800g
1 t14 cloth 1,800g
2 t14 dust.

tp mats are:
6 t13 planks 2,200g = 13,200g.
39 t1 planks 100g = 3,900g.
9 t19 resin 4180 = 37,620g.
36 t10 resin. 55g = 1,980g.

resin cost is stable. so that is a base of 39,600g to make the shield. if you resource and craft all other mats yourself. it's 20k profit. but that's a lot of work involved. so they deserve it (debatably).

now if you were to buy mats off ah.

random prices I found:

t14 dust was unlisted.
t14 dye. 1,800g. this brings us up to 41,400g.
t14 cloth was unlisted. if we assume you bought silk from random store and made your own cloth with a dye we'll just call it 1,800g. 41,200.


now the shield itself.
t1 planks you could easily resource yourself. with da that is 20 mobs or less even without downtiering bonus. but then you're spending some rrt so that is compensation. I think a t30 pull is ultimately worth more in a real resource. so unless you already woodcut...eh. if we do it in tm that is a solid 117 pieces of wood you're resourcing. props to you. auction price is 100g per so 3,900g.
47,100.
finally we got the t13 planks. 2200 per. this brings our grand total toooo
60,300.

now finally we got the unknown dust prices. even if we say you pay 2k per. that brings our grand total toooo

64,300. sts price is 59,985. you lose 4.5k. you can gain this money back by resourcing your own mats. or watching auction house currently like a shark rather than casually buying mats at prices like I found. but this takes time and effort. not exactly mass producing 10000 a day. while deriniums supply was keeping up with the exploit.


ultimately while you can create gold from this. I do not believe it is free gold. real time is invested. not just in the crafting aspect. and the gold profit will still be far less. if glitch or someone else wants to dive on in they can feel free.

[ShadeDaScout]

a lot of people have, for a while now. been complaining about the 39 shield exploit

so I figured I could use more tcs and i'd do math on this one.

nibba, I was to point this out today (after plenty of people mentioning it) and alga test it, and you want the tcs?:0

[Glitchless]

Anybody selling their gold suit to start up a resource farming, shield crafting build?

[Algamisu]

Just how is that exploit different to crafting deriniums? People were selling them for profit and it got changed so it wasn't profitable any longer?

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by Blaze

deriniums have been changed several times over the years. so... sorry to bug you glitch but...

current prices: 160,000 (80,000)

craft cost... these prices are going by just what i can find off auction house at time this thread is being made.. might be able to get cheaper or maybe some item is more expensive normally but... these are total costs for each not individual costs. ie 100 per t1 700 total.
Mats needed for consumable:

1 Spiderfruit Dye (T12) 500g
1 Imperial Cloth (T12) 1,550g (no t12 on ah. t13 is 1550 tho.)
2 Amber Dust (T12) 2,600g (t12 is 4k each. t14 is 1.3k each. downtier ftw)

Mats needed for finished item:

1 Coral Geode (T12) 2,400g (none on ah but there is 3 t12 ore)
7 Citrine Geode (T1) 700g
1 Sweet Pea Oil (T10) 500g
7 Eggplant Oil (T1) 700g
12 Afar Resin (T19) 50,160
19 Galatai Blood Resin (T12) 2,660

total craft price? 61,770. sell to store price 80,000. 18,230g profit per.


354 deriniums at 18,230 profit per.. 6,453,420 profit.

now people were doing this a little and i ignored it. but people are doing hundreds in a single day? this is getting stupid. they in the same amount of time crafting made several times more than i did farming with one of the best pve builds in the game currently. and the resources are all low tier so not like they'll exhaust the market. how many t12s do caps trash a day

this has happened a couple times now.. imo easiest fix is just change derinium's price. keep it at 160,000 buy. but set sell value to 50,000 (so just resins cost more). sure it won't be 50% anymore... but this keeps happening. clearly people are gonna keep abusing it. but well... that's my opinion. maybe you'll see a better option glitch

tl;dr: they're exploiting for stupid profit. can you change deriniums yet again glitch? or is it time for me to sell my pve setup make a good pvp setup and just craft gems to get rich

Originally Posted by Glitchless

Good and thorough report. TCs awarded. It will be changed soon, since we don't really want this as a gold source and we don't want it artificially increasing the price of low end mats which new players would use to level crafting.

if anyone wants full thread http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=19492

[Glitchless]

Originally Posted by Algamisu

Just how is that exploit different to crafting deriniums? People were selling them for profit and it got changed so it wasn't profitable any longer?

That argument could be used to say simply farming mats and selling them to the store for profit (1g) is an exploit.

Dereniums were exploitable because they didn't follow the same cost/rarity/level ratio of other gems. That was fixed.

The reason this is profitable is due to sellers underestimating the intrinsic value of their lower mats. Gathering the resources yourself and making shields to sell to the store for profit might be beneficial for those who do not yet have significant power, but it has not been shown to be an effective long term method of making gold better than any of the normal methods.

[Blaze]

the amount of mats make it so mass producing gems is far easier than shields. and thus they were making more gold buying mats. not resourcing at all. (that was 18k profit with current mat prices. no waiting around for cheap mats like you mentioned)

and they were still crafting hundreds a day. if you add downtiering/resourcing and getting cheaper mats. how much did they actually make in a day? I was serious in that post. if it wasn't changed. i'd switch from farming to crafting. shields do not have the same potential for gold due to lower supply and more mats required. just start crafting them yourself if you really feel it's that valuable.