not to be the bad guy but.. nah actually.. being the bad guy is the goal

[Blaze]

deriniums have been changed several times over the years. so... sorry to bug you glitch but...

current prices: 160,000 (80,000)

craft cost... these prices are going by just what i can find off auction house at time this thread is being made.. might be able to get cheaper or maybe some item is more expensive normally but... these are total costs for each not individual costs. ie 100 per t1 700 total.
Mats needed for consumable:

1 Spiderfruit Dye (T12) 500g
1 Imperial Cloth (T12) 1,550g (no t12 on ah. t13 is 1550 tho.)
2 Amber Dust (T12) 2,600g (t12 is 4k each. t14 is 1.3k each. downtier ftw)

Mats needed for finished item:

1 Coral Geode (T12) 2,400g (none on ah but there is 3 t12 ore)
7 Citrine Geode (T1) 700g
1 Sweet Pea Oil (T10) 500g
7 Eggplant Oil (T1) 700g
12 Afar Resin (T19) 50,160
19 Galatai Blood Resin (T12) 2,660

total craft price? 61,770. sell to store price 80,000. 18,230g profit per.


354 deriniums at 18,230 profit per.. 6,453,420 profit.

now people were doing this a little and i ignored it. but people are doing hundreds in a single day? this is getting stupid. they in the same amount of time crafting made several times more than i did farming with one of the best pve builds in the game currently. and the resources are all low tier so not like they'll exhaust the market. how many t12s do caps trash a day

this has happened a couple times now.. imo easiest fix is just change derinium's price. keep it at 160,000 buy. but set sell value to 50,000 (so just resins cost more). sure it won't be 50% anymore... but this keeps happening. clearly people are gonna keep abusing it. but well... that's my opinion. maybe you'll see a better option glitch

tl;dr: they're exploiting for stupid profit. can you change deriniums yet again glitch? or is it time for me to sell my pve setup make a good pvp setup and just craft gems to get rich

[Joanna]

I don't agree with you on this one.
If it comes to s2 you can't buy ingredients and if you can it cost you much more than resell cost.

Its all coming down to ingredient cost which you happen to find it very cheap that day.

IMO crafting should be a way to make profit.
All epic items have crafting cost (resin cost) below resell value and as long you get your own resources you may profit from it.

Let's brake it down :

In order to get each ingredient you (or person who selling it) need to spend time to perform: normal killing for silk then foraging , mining , gardening, dust collection. On top of that you need to raise skills in brewing , dyeing , gem working and cloth working.

Finally you need to get everything at right tier then run to 2 different towns to get resins .

So taking to account time spent doing all those task we looking on profit roughly 300-400 k /h with being lucky at resourcing which is not something decent cap connot achieve.

Game is for everyone . There is different play styles. Not everyone wanna get op and farm bosses.

People choosing to burn rrt resourcing and combining stuff for living.

If crafting to be nerfed so should be x4 gold chests from bosses. People getting chest warnings in nlake and dmv.

That's up to 4 chests a minute with potential of 100k+

Many can get 3-4 M gold /h boss farming which is 10 times more than crafting

Besides after your post people more likely charge more for ingredients so problem solved 😊

[Blaze]

like i said.. do you know how many t12 mats caps trash a day? on s2 with 15 people maybe not many. but i by myself trash hundreds. now add 500 more caps. how high can you really raise a t10 item? and all the tiers above it would have to raise too or they'll just downtier.

3-4 million. how good is their luck? with beast bonus perhaps they can do that on good days. but they spent MILLIONS TO BILLIONS of gold to do that. they deserve to be able to do that. me? my limit is probably 2.5m in a beast bonus with good luck maybe 3m with some great luck.

meanwhile these people had to raise gemcrafting to a whopping.. 40. and townwalk for..15 minutes. like i said above... we destroy tens of thousands of t12ish mats a day. so they can always get those off auction house and continue where they left off. i may have caught it on a lucky day so the cost isn't the highest it could be.. but i'm within 5k ish.

so... you do that little bit of work.. and you deserve to make more per day than someone who spent years and 2 billion gold to become an op farmer?

on s2 maybe this isn't an exploit. but s1 has suffered cuz of s2 abusing stuff (otherwise we wouldn't have that annoying beast timer making beast go from 50% to dead on a slow night). s2 can't complain if their deriniums have a lower sell to store value cuz of s1.

and yes. like you said. if they resource it themselves they can profit. but they're putting that work in themselves at least. even that would be an exploit but i could tolerate it. but making millions even when you don't resource anything and you just sit in town is stupid

[Soxson]

Originally Posted by Joanna

I don't agree with you on this one.
If it comes to s2 you can't buy ingredients and if you can it cost you much more than resell cost.

Its all coming down to ingredient cost which you happen to find it very cheap that day.

IMO crafting should be a way to make profit.
All epic items have crafting cost (resin cost) below resell value and as long you get your own resources you may profit from it.

Let's brake it down :

In order to get each ingredient you (or person who selling it) need to spend time to perform: normal killing for silk then foraging , mining , gardening, dust collection. On top of that you need to raise skills in brewing , dyeing , gem working and cloth working.

Finally you need to get everything at right tier then run to 2 different towns to get resins .

So taking to account time spent doing all those task we looking on profit roughly 300-400 k /h with being lucky at resourcing which is not something decent cap connot achieve.

Game is for everyone . There is different play styles. Not everyone wanna get op and farm bosses.

People choosing to burn rrt resourcing and combining stuff for living.

If crafting to be nerfed so should be x4 gold chests from bosses. People getting chest warnings in nlake and dmv.

That's up to 4 chests a minute with potential of 100k+

Many can get 3-4 M gold /h boss farming which is 10 times more than crafting

Besides after your post people more likely charge more for ingredients so problem solved 😊

I'm inclined to not take you serious when you can't even use the right term for 'break' >_>

Balze's point here is that you can farm away all your rrt and then start crafting and reselling the deriniums for even more profit on top of all the gold you farmed up today. This is just spewing up more and more gold endlessly while in travel mode. You could end up making billions without ever farming, just keep buying mats off AH and end up crafting and reselling. That's putting more and more gold in the game causing inflation. There are gold sinks for a reason.

[Darklords]

I say leave them to it, they aint harming nobody id like to see N toons doing this sort of thing so they can keep up with the market of tcs.

Crafting should yield a profit for them wasting hours on doing the task. why shouldnt they make gold?

[Soxson]

Originally Posted by darklords

I say leave them to it, they aint harming nobody id like to see N toons doing this sort of thing so they can keep up with the market of tcs.

Crafting should yield a profit for them wasting hours on doing the task. why shouldnt they make gold?

Remember, Ns cannot buy the materials on AH. They'd have to resource themselves or beg. Plus, once you become N, grinder's upgrade doesn't work anymore so you'll start losing rrt when you craft.

[Blaze]

well. i'm too lazy to keep arguing with people.

if glitch agrees with me.. he'll change it. and your opinions are irrelevant.
if he doesn't agree with me he won't change it... i raise gem crafting to 40 and become rich. idc either way i guess. i benefit either way. (yes i consider it me benefitting stopping other people from just collecting the mats in bulk then abusing craft memory for an hour)

i hope glitch will at least reply when he gets a chance though either saying yes or no. if it's not gonna change every hour he doesn't reply is a million or two i could be making :/

[Joanna]

I see your points guys - hungry person will never understand those who waste tons of food.. .

I agree that on S1 things are different.
The thing is we cannot change things around too often.

And btw Sox : I'm not native English speaking person . In fact it's my 4th language so show some respect. My parents don't speak English at all besides when you typing too fast on your phone autofill/autocorrect tend to be less forgiving sometimes .

[Soxson]

Originally Posted by Joanna

And btw Sox : I'm not native English speaking person . In fact it's my 4th language so show some respect. My parents don't speak English at all besides when you typing too fast on your phone autofill/autocorrect tend to be less forgiving sometimes .

Ah my bad. Your english is pretty good so i assumed you were a native speaker. Where you from, and what other languages you speak? Nod is crawling with multilingual people

[Tharkas]

Looks like I'm going to set gem crafting too passive as soon as I get home.

[Glitchless]

Good and thorough report. TCs awarded. It will be changed soon, since we don't really want this as a gold source and we don't want it artificially increasing the price of low end mats which new players would use to level crafting.

[Baewi]

Thanks glitchiepoo
Whiners gonna whine

[Blaze]

ty glitch :{ couple steps closer to doing 2nd pilg \o/

[Joanna]

Taking it down half resell price (40k) IMO is too drastic.

This will hurt low lvl players who find one . 80 k used to be nice injection towards new gear.

As for crafting it 60 k resell would be fair price because at that price you cannot make profit using ah and if you resource yourself it's too much of a hassle for few k and lots of rrt wasted on resourcing + real time for crafting it.

I'm honestly disappointed that this game only goal is to become cap , get op and farm bosses for that chance of x4 gold rush.

At this point resourcing comes only to finding tier 30. And crafting pretty much to making high end gear/gems.

No wonder pepole destroying tons of resourcess as worthless.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not whining or criticizing current system. I just believe Nodiatis should have different play styles and promote different activities.

If I wanna be crafter/resourcer for example .... at current mechanics it's impossible. I'm forced to kill bosses likę everyone else to survive.

In other words got into cookie cut scheme.

Nodiatis is awesome because variety of professions and activity that can be performed .

If crafting is not allowed to be even little profitable as "sell to store" I think alternative options should be introduced to make all low and mid tier resourcess useful.

Epic potion lines would be great idea or anything else that improve your character and involves crafting .

Time spent on resourcing and crafting is not free and should be somehow rewarded.

And as it is you need to pay gold for pleasure of creating something #laboroflove.

I'm afraid S2 will get a hit with last patch and Noone will even bother to list things on ah u less it's t30.

PS. Maybe my post is chaotic but general idea is to look from s2 perspective and through eyes of people who don't like to follow boss grind and prefer to create things (those people matter too)

[Soxson]

Originally Posted by Joanna

Taking it down half resell price (40k) IMO is too drastic.

This will hurt low lvl players who find one . 80 k used to be nice injection towards new gear.

As for crafting it 60 k resell would be fair price because at that price you cannot make profit using ah and if you resource yourself it's too much of a hassle for few k and lots of rrt wasted on resourcing + real time for crafting it.

I'm honestly disappointed that this game only goal is to become cap , get op and farm bosses for that chance of x4 gold rush.

At this point resourcing comes only to finding tier 30. And crafting pretty much to making high end gear/gems.

No wonder pepole destroying tons of resourcess as worthless.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not whining or criticizing current system. I just believe Nodiatis should have different play styles and promote different activities.

If I wanna be crafter/resourcer for example .... at current mechanics it's impossible. I'm forced to kill bosses likę everyone else to survive.

In other words got into cookie cut scheme.

Nodiatis is awesome because variety of professions and activity that can be performed .

If crafting is not allowed to be even little profitable as "sell to store" I think alternative options should be introduced to make all low and mid tier resourcess useful.

Epic potion lines would be great idea or anything else that improve your character and involves crafting .

Time spent on resourcing and crafting is not free and should be somehow rewarded.

And as it is you need to pay gold for pleasure of creating something #laboroflove.

I'm afraid S2 will get a hit with last patch and Noone will even bother to list things on ah u less it's t30.

PS. Maybe my post is chaotic but general idea is to look from s2 perspective and through eyes of people who don't like to follow boss grind and prefer to create things (those people matter too)

Nobody 'finds' a derinium though. You either buy one, or you craft one, or someone gives it to you. And they're too useful to really sell unless you get a bunch. Deriniums were used mostly by caps anyway. You chose server 2 over server 1 so quit complaining that s2 doesn't have this or that.

[Blaze]

:{ tbf. Deriniums are epic gems. They probably can drop just like any other Sox.

@ Joanna...no low level is selling deriniums. Unless they blissed for the virts. And if you're really hurting for gold..selling a tc is a lot more money than some gems. (Then again..idk current s2 tc prices.mabye a few gems is a tc there.

The crafting is worth it if you sell to other players. basically any epic can be profited on. Glitch just doesn't want us becoming billionaires off sts gold.

Idk about s2 but as the most used potion rank on s1 is r5 we've got some use for mid tier mats. I guess with 15 players hard to make much of a market for hundreds of potions.

Now. I could be wrong. But has glitch ever called nod a crafting game? It has crafting like most games..but afaik (again I could be wrong) glitch has never stated he wants players to become rich off crafting alone. Crafting is just a supplement to income when main focus is pvp or pve to me. A few people have made their career crafting..noremorse for gems dennisthemenace for legendaries and brother for enchanting stones.. but Nore makes nothing off his crafting career. Brother will take years to make back what he spent. Dennis could be considered the only person to actually get rich crafting. And with 10+ toons that get farmed pve..who knows what % is from crafting what % is from farming.

s1 has had several patches cuz of s2. S2 is getting one cuz of s1. We share fortune and misfortune. Some hurt 1 server more than the other or help one more than the other.

We'd both probably be happy if patches were server independent. But they aren't. Welcome to how s1 felt about legendary masters in gift boxes cuz the masters on s2 got bant by botters. Or how some of us feel about the fact the epic beast is now on a timer cuz s2 players were keeping it alive for 20 hours a day. Etc

[Blaze]

btw. for the people who can't see why the profit was such a bad idea.. let me ask you a question. crafting to sell to store for profit. as long as there are infinite mats there is infinite gold. it takes no rested time thus has no limit. here's the question.
would there be an issue if farmers had unlimited rrt so they could make gold for as long as they feel like playing? as is darklords burns tons of tcs to do this. sure he profits. but he's spending 1.7m per tc to do this. severly cutting down his income. and he ofc needs to find the tcs in the first place.

but what's the difference? if i got unlimited rrt to farm 18mil a day.. or if someone decides to do nothing but craft 1000 gems for 18 mil?

if you can't see the issue with infinite gold.. well i'm just wasting my time arguing. there is no limit on crafting so ofc it's not as profitable as the limited farming. UNLESS you sell to other players like dtm.

if you give me unlimited rrt idc if you can sell your epics to store for profit. sure tcs will hit 50m per but who cares? that's 2 days of farming or crafting.

[Brick]

Joanna, do you not see the issue with allowing just about anyone the ability to make millions of fresh gold in a day?

This was changed for the exact same reason as when people were farming boss drops years ago, it's a sure way to further inflate the economy to disgusting levels.

[Darklords]

unlimited rrt is only 5$ an hour away get yours today!

[Baewi]

What darkie said