Staff caster PVP balancing needed

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Missing tempers
If you can get the 2 stones and 3 tempers you "needs" then I think all classes should get tunnel vision too. I mean fair is fair right? Tunnel vision is a staff only skill to give you more cnc that you would otherwise enchant for. This makes up for the lack of 2 potential stones.

Degen arrow
Melee can't use it either. That is like asking if you can have bm bonuses for using a piercer. Archers have degen and melee has quad hit.

Cleanse gems
Using them doesn't make you a healer, it makes you adaptable. You have this mindset that to be a DD'r you have to ONLY use DD and nothing else. The strongest toons in the game are those that are hybrids. Archers using double cast gear? Hybrid. Top dotters? More likely than not they have a few heals somewhere or any non dot gems which makes them a hybrid. "Pure" anything excels in one scenario which hybrid can excel in many.

Reduced damage
You are grasping at straws by saying you don't want to get targeted. They target that which is not a tank.....as a dd'r you are not a tank aka you deal lots of damage. Why would anyone target anything but the damage dealer if able.

Heals
In a perfect world you can also quad cast every gem forever for 5k each. But sadly this isn't a perfect world and using extremes to try and justify a point is silly.

Finisher skill
DD has the potential for massive damage in a short window of time. It isn't needed.

You are trying to use super top tier dotters to justify your clearly mid tier DD'r. Only 1 DD has come to your aid and if this was such a sweeping problem then they would be flocking to this thread holding their hands out eager for support.

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by >.>

Missing tempers
If you can get the 2 stones and 3 tempers you "needs" then I think all classes should get tunnel vision too. I mean fair is fair right? Tunnel vision is a staff only skill to give you more cnc that you would otherwise enchant for. This makes up for the lack of 2 potential stones.

Sure, id be absolutely fine with every other character in the game having tunnel vision if it meant i could equip a bow, arrow and quiver with a staff and no penalty for switching. Thank you, 100% support this.

Degen arrow
Melee can't use it either. That is like asking if you can have bm bonuses for using a piercer. Archers have degen and melee has quad hit.

And staffers have quad hit? Shaft of death? Deathblow? Rupture? Stun? Daze? Nothing. Your proving my point exactly. Melee can switch to degen arrow at any time with no penalty except auto attack stopping lol. I cant even equip the damn thing. No opener, no finisher, and cant use the items that you need to overcome dots and regen.

Cleanse gems
Using them doesn't make you a healer, it makes you adaptable. You have this mindset that to be a DD'r you have to ONLY use DD and nothing else. The strongest toons in the game are those that are hybrids. Archers using double cast gear? Hybrid.

Staffers using archer gear? Doesnt exist. No hybrid possible, thanks for again proving my point. The best caster gear in the game is for archers ...which a pure caster cant even equip...how does that make any sense at all???

You and every other toon in the game simply equips cleansing quiver when needed, with no stun penalty for switching, and gets the bonus from tempering and stoning those items even if you don't use them for that particular battle

It's unbalanced.... argue all you want but it is without a massive disadvantage in PVP, end of story.

Reduced damage
You are grasping at straws by saying you don't want to get targeted. They target that which is not a tank.

So what you are saying is that you would have no problem with glitch turning off caster gem animations in arena.

-this does not reduce my damage taken in any way
-it would it harm or effect any other toon in the game whatsoever
-it would not boost my DD damage

So yes i too support disabling DD animations in arena, no harm to any other classes, and no benefit to DD dps...it would probably improve arena lag performance for everyone as well.

Heals
In a perfect world you can also quad cast every gem forever for 5k each. But sadly this isn't a perfect world and using extremes to try and justify a point is silly.

You cant quad cast any gem, ever. You can double cast sometimes..and fairly often as an archer.

Furthermore... dotters heal, damage daze AND heal team in a single cast. Melee heals, damages, and stuns while being able to cast.
DD gets non of those abilities except reduced vamp...no fangs for DD!

Finisher skill
DD has the potential for massive damage in a short window of time.

You need to change that statement to AGAINST PVE ONLY. High CNT reduces my damage to less than 600-700 per shot. and almost every toon running bushfire/resist auras. I dont hit for over 2k regularly until arena bonus kicks in.

VS dots...
I see 5k ticks regularly, never mind rupture lol which can go north of 40k

VS ARCHERS:
I see 20k shafts every day, never mind blind.

VS MELEE:
I see 12k quad openers with a stun, and then a deathblow right after

VS BM:
Stunlock, leech and pet heals.

VS DD CASTER:
- no opener/closer/stun/daze/blind at all

And what about protection?

- Armor reduces melee damage.
- cnt reduces DD damage
- What reduces dot damage?..cleansing quiver, which staffer cant equip.

Where is the balance in any of that?

You are trying to use super top tier dotters to justify your clearly mid tier DD'r. Only 1 DD has come to your aid and if this was such a sweeping problem then they would be flocking to this thread holding their hands out eager for support.

First of all, alastrina is mid tier. She started this...not me. I didnt realize it until she proved the point. You can thank her, im just informing glitch.

IF ALASTRINA COULD BE BEATEN WITH A STAFF DD, THE TC WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE IN 10 MINUTES.

Also, staff dder's are rare compared to other classes and the thread was started a few hours ago. Every toon in the game is going to try and stop a buff to any character but their own until the bitter end.

But heres the facts:

I didnt whine when fangs and quad arrived, so now its your turn...give staffers some equipment or skills to balance us PVP.


LOOK AT THE WIN/LOSS STATS.

HIGHEST STAFF DDER IS 60%, ROUGHLY SAME % HE GETS PAIRED WITH A TANK.

IT'S NOT AN IF, MAYBE, OR JUSTIFICATION THE NUMBERS DONT LIE.

[Blaze]

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Has every top DD'r fought blaze? No.

All the win loss stats of this season say is that DD is not a good 3v1 class.

Staff users CAN use quad hit unless a staff magically isn't a melee weapon anymore.

You are correct that melee can switch to archery with no penalty ...unless having damage that is in the lower 100's constitutes as being worth the switch.

Originally Posted by Glitchless

It'd probably be best not to fall into the trap laid here where the word "balance" is being used to describe a theoretical and impossible state where weak characters are somehow equal in ability to strong characters. The only real balance we strive for is for each class or build to have at least one area for them to excel - and arena can't be that for every class.

You would be wise to heed the last portion before you continue making an ass of yourself.

DD is a strong farmer and was top pvp for a long time. Now they are just strong farmers and upper midrange pvp.

[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by >.>

Staff users CAN use quad hit unless a staff magically isn't a melee weapon anymore.

Now whos grasping at straws... LOL

Now they are just strong farmers and upper midrange pvp.

Point of this thread entirily, 60% is the best they can do on a team, and 1vs 1 cant win at all...proven by blaze.

You guys are seriously horrible at countering...you keep on agreeing with me lol.

at least brikk made some intelligent statements.

Can anyone tell me how turning off the DD animation would in anyway shape or form give casters an unfair competitive edge, or harm their own class in any way at all???

[Blaze]

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[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

Clears throat...

Dear Banndintheusa,

When you learn how to create are real DD caster of some power, please come back to us with your rant about what DD casters can and cannot do. Until then, please keep your mouth shut as you are going over things that those of us that actually play extremely powerful DD casters for longer than you've apparently been out of diapers have been discussing and working around for years and these issues have been known, are not going to be addressed, and are frankly a waste of your limited experience with DD casters.

Sisix, why dont you go get the free tc from alastrina, and furthermore thanks for proving my point... i should reroll a dotter thats my only option.

[Blaze]

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[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[Blaze]

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[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[banndintheusa]

Well as you can see hiding my identity was completely necessary.. people just come in and insult directly here. I dint insult anyone, i didnt attack anyone, i didnt ask for nerfs.

I ASKED FOR EQUALITY. THATS IT.

All i did was point out some serious advantages other classes have and you know what...I keep getting told to reroll, use my staff to quad hit, or get archer gear.

Which means im absolutely right.

Still waiting to hear how DD staffer can use a degen arrow, have healing capabilities of bloodrow/dots, a single piece of gear that is comparable to cleansing quiver, archer dbl cast set, fangspear... steelfangs...

DD gets no rupture/shaft and to top it all if it has now been unanimously agreed the archer DD is better than ACTUAL CASTER DD, and that staff DD is only upper midrange pvp.

these are my opponents words, not mine.

Give me a 40% double cast staff with 20% hit.

Ill shutup then.

Give me an opener or finisher skill.

Ill shutup then.

Someone beat blaze. Ill shutup then.

Stop telling me the solution is to reroll.

Ill shutup then.

Going back to quad hitting with my staff for the win. LOL

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

I have nothing to prove. I've beaten Cyress, I've topped the list for pure DD casters, I've been on two of the last three winning arena teams as a DD caster...and I'm still a DD caster second to no one in the game.

I hear a whine when I see one. These are issues that have been raised in the past by myself and others, there is nothing that will be done concerning them, so we deal with what we deal with.

But if you're going to cry because ONE toon is calling you out, well maybe you need to put your big boy pants on and figure out how to play the game. Most of the whine about DD affects Dots equally. Can't have it both ways you know

Thats why i said make bloodraw, deathflow, gift of light, intoxicate affect DD caster as well.. and give us a finishing skill comparable to rupture.

Ok there we are even.

That would mean both dotter and DD cant use a degen arrow or cleansing quiver, but at least they could both heal damage and daze in a single cast.

Right now only dotter can do that... and DDER can...

farm really good?

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by SiSiX

I have nothing to prove.

Yeah you do actually, you are claiming to be a top DD and arena champion who knows how to play a staff caster properly.

Go beat blaze, and ill shutup about this thread... its 3 free easy TC's to win.. what is the hesitation? You know you can do it, you can end this argument and win three tc's.

If blaze beats sisix i would then change my tune and consider him to be a top tier dotter, until then hes just a noob who got given a great toon.

[Skredperson]

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[SiSiX]

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[banndintheusa]

Still waiting to hear a single suggestion FROM ANYONE for a staff DD alternative, counter, or comparable skill to ANY of the following:


- rupture
- degen arrow
- intoxicate
- blinding arrow
- cleansing quiver
- steel fangs
- deathblow
- bloodraw rune
- shaft of death
- bm stunlock
- 3 missing item tempers
- fangspear of destiny. sirens bow, opal quiver( 69% double cast, 20% to hit)
- spellbound armor set (24% dmg bonus to dotter)


There is a gear, and skill deficit for staff DD Caster, both farming(against higher mobs) and PVP against all classes. Im willing to pay for an upgrade glitch, pull the trigger. Let the loot start raining.

-NO OPENER ALA QUAD/WEIGHTED
-NO FINISHING SKILL ALA RUPTURE
-NO DEGEN CAPABILITIES
-NO STUN/DAZE CAPABILITIES



The "best" DDER in the game has now chickened out of fighting a mid tier dotter lol, even with a 3 tc incentive.



TOP ARENA DD IN GAME HAS 60% WIN/LOSS.. END OF STORY

HOW WOULD TURNING OFF DD ANIMATION HARM ANY OTHER CLASS IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER?

NAME A SINGLE PVP SPECIFIC SKILL ASSIGNED TO A DD CASTER.

ANYONE?

/Thread closed.

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You rupture every time you cast, all rupture does is apply all the damage that hasn't happened yet. If a rupture happens every cast guess what it turns into a DD.

Reaper/gravebound

Cleanse gems that you refuse you use because it doesn't make you a DD user any more. Guess what using a quiver as a staff DD'r would not make you a DD either.

Vamp Runes

Massive starting damage range

Vamp rune is better than bloodraw

See rupture

The top DDer in the game has nothing to prove to YOU just because you cannot build a competent toon doesn't mean that goes for everyone. Why don't you tell us your toon name. I can almost guarantee you are a glass cannon.

EDIT: then you edit in again to try and reinforce the fact that you need to bribe glitch to get any attention towards DDs