Staff caster PVP balancing needed

[banndintheusa]

IF YOU ARE A DD STAFFER, THE TLDR; VERSION OF THIS THREAD IS YOU NEED TO REROLL/TRAIN UP ARCHERY.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO COMPETITIVE SOLUTIONS FOR HIGH END SOLO ARENA UNLESS GLITCH INTRODUCES THEM IN A GEAR OR SKILL PATCH.

FULLY GEARED, YOUR TOON WILL PEAK AROUND 68% WINLOSS.

IF YOU'D LIKE THIS BUILD TO BE STRONGER, KEEP MAKING REQUESTS FOR FINISHING SKILLS, IMPROVED DD STAVES OR ONE HANDED PVP CASTER ITEMS IN THE FORUMS!




There are people handing out free tc's to any staff dd caster that can kill them... thats the level of confidence displayed in the weakness of this build in the game right now. Blaze mocking aside....it is a very real issue...so the I think the problems need to be highlighted to glitch.


I dont want dotters or any other classes nerfed, id just like DD casters to have similar offensive/defensive options to match dotters/melee. Right now we get the worst of both worlds...less dps, less tempers, no regen counter, and limited healing with a visual indicator that says attack me now please.

Staff DD is an arena/PVP facepalm.

The only single advantage we have is PVE farming, but really with quad/fangs/deathblow/shaft/rupture the PVE advantage is negligible.

Frankly if there was an in-game gear/skill based option id be exploring it instead of forum whining... but there just isn't. No options. Please, if you can tell me something that is equivalent to dotter bloodraw, archer shaft of death, rupture, steelfangs, listless arrow, bm stun, or cleansing quiver that staff DDER can use...im all ears.

Not saying DD needs all of the above, but as of now we have none of these capabilities, there is no gear, no skills, and no runes to counter any of these advantages the other classes have.



The problems for staff DD caster in arena can be summed up as so:


- DD caster is the ONLY class that has a visual indicator of who and what we are casting at, it is a massive target painted on your back from the start of the arena battle, or if you are a healer you know exactly who needs to be healed right away.
- you can't wear a shield, bow, arrow or quiver. Thats 3 tempers (4k+ hp's with affin/epic quest easy)
- You have to throw 500+ int into your build instead of defence stats, so you need a taunting tank or you going to lose.
- to stop opposing team regen, you need a degen arrow. We aren't allowed to use.
- to stop opposing team dotters, you need cleansing quiver. We aren't allowed to use


Finally, there are several uncounterable in-game defences against direct damage:

->discourage jeweling pouch (absolutely nullifies all gem based dps, there is no counter)
-> do unto/shield reflect. you one shot yourself with high arena dmg bonus.
->high contravention (high cnc does not balance this, you will hit but for ~500)
->mana/energy drain (can use imperv, which is shatterable)
->stunlocking (can use stoic, but is shatterable)


Some possible solutions, any of these would be a huge help:

- Legendary DD gems
- Have spellbound armor affect DD damage as well as dot
- remove DD animation from arena/pvp, just like anon faces.
- a comparable skill to shaft/rupture/deathblow for DD
- Comparable melee dmg reflect to do unto/ shield reflect
- a comparable opener skill to quad/weighted steel
- have steelfangs affect DD
- have bloodraw rune affect DD casters as well as dot
- Allow gift of light/intoxicate/deathflow affect DD as well as dot
- reduce int requirement for high dd damage
- Have cnt only affect resist chance, not reduce DD damage
- allow us to equip archery/shield gear like every other toon in the game
- Add new one handed caster gear with pvp specific bonuses
- Make gravebound aura affect targets casted at to compensate for no degen arrow
- skill to reduce effects of discourage jeweling/ add discourage melee gems to the game.

IN A SINGLE CAST a dotter heals self with bloodraw/vamp, team with GoL, dazes opponent and does HIGHER damage then DD...it would take 4 gems for DD to have the same effect as casting a single decreption gem.

You can win free tc's right now if you can beat alastrina as a DD caster, but nobody can in the entire game....so thanks blaze... point proven.... DD staffers are weak and need gear/skill options

Can we get some help here glitch?

I have money to burn, and my toon obviously needs gears...so lets get a patch and watch the dollars fly.

[Skredperson]

there's one person doing that and he has spent a lot of money and time on that toon, I don't see a problem with DDers in game

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by Skredperson

there's one person doing that and he has spent a lot of money and time on that toon, I don't see a problem with DDers in game

Says the person wearing a bow, arrow and quiver.. with tempers.

Thanks for posting skred because more people who raise an eyebrow to this, the better.

p.s.

blaze didnt build his toon, it was given to him.

Either way it doesnt matter because a staff DD caster cannot beat him, so point proven... the build is at a huge disadvantage, end of story.

[Skredperson]

umm....i have 1x tempers and only archery skill I have leveled is archery...

[Skredperson]

btw what does having 1x tempers do against a dotter or dder or archer or tank? nothing

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by Skredperson

umm....i have 1x tempers and only archery skill I have leveled is archery...

Tell you what, if your archery gear "doesnt do much" why are you wearing it? Why did you temper? So take it off, permanantly. Thats the DD/DOT staffer's world, every day.

The fact is you could put 8x on everything, adding 1800 hps, without affin skill or epic quest bonus. With decent affin and a few epic quests done that goes north of 4k Hp's real quick.

Also while your toon isnt particularly geared and wearing weak epics... others are. Your archer gear could be legendary, and you could be wearing a listless arrow completely shutting down timmies and regen and a cleansing quiver removing dot damage, or both ala thorin.

i cant even put 1x on ANYTHING. Not even a crappy green item.

If there is a current in game alternative skred, please enlighten me.

[Skredperson]

umm my arena rating is less than 300 so no I can't put 8x on anything, nor can I uptier or afford an LG bowset when I don't even use my bow

[Gooddevil]

I think this is a great post and as 6 year DD caster have to agree with all that.

We do farm fast in zones close to our lvl but we suck in high zones and pvp.

no wonder there is so few pure dd casters in game.

An option for more defense/survival would be great. Also opener option sounds really good as we don't have one

It should be revisited after so many patches .

Good work bud!

[thatperson]

My staff dder with no lgs and no epic gems can farm faster than any other toon I or skred has yes dd lacks a bit pvp but no it doesn't need a buff as its still highly effective farming compared to other classes

Am a few tempers aren't going to make tour class underpowered just saying

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by Skredperson

btw what does having 1x tempers do against a dotter or dder or archer or tank? nothing

I hate whining as much as the next guy, but there are people openly handing out free TC's to staff DDers lol....and no one can get one.

We need skills, gear, or class buffs to balance the class in pvp combat.

It's too late it's been proven, hence the reason for this post.

[thatperson]

Originally Posted by banndintheusa

I hate whining as much as the next guy, but there are people openly handing out free TC's to staff DDers lol....and no one can get one.

We need skills, gear, or class buffs to balance the class in pvp combat.

It's too late it's been proven, hence the reason for this post.

Not people there is 1 overconfident person handing out tcs...and thst one person could very well be built specifically to counter dd casters...the build for that isn't complex since the start of nod dd casters have had counters in play that made them potentially weak pvp

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by thatperson

My staff dder with no lgs and no epic gems can farm faster than any other toon I or skred has yes dd lacks a bit pvp but no it doesn't need a buff as its still highly effective farming compared to other classes

Am a few tempers aren't going to make tour class underpowered just saying

Thanks for chiming in TP and agreeing staff caster is weak in pvp.

Your PVE statements are absolutely valid for low level farming....before melee classes got quad damage and steel fangs. Unfortunately, that isn't the case anymore, melee farmers are now 80% speed of dd farmers easily, and high level farming they are even better.

Regardless this thread is about PVP.

Please offer me a current in-game alternative for a DD staff user to counter or enable:

-rupture/quad/weighted/shaft of death/deathblow,
-blood raw rune, steel fangs,
-degen arrow or cleansing quiver
-make who and what we are attacking with invisible... like all other classes

If you can tell me what i have miseed, i'll shutup and go buy it, or level the skills necessary to counter.

Also, theres a free TC if you can beat blaze on alastrina with your dd farmer

...go get it and prove me wrong...


I have an LG Warrior, and LG DD caster,

War arena winloss ratio is 75%
DD arena winloss caster 46%

End of story. The staff dd is just too weak.

Even redeye..top ranking arena staff DD, 60%. He's only in top ten due to sheer volume of matches.

I didnt start this, blaze did, and highlighted the issue so i thank him

[Skredperson]

guarantee I can kill mobs faster than Alas and not a Dder, classes are meant to have perks unique to them, we can't all have everything

[thatperson]

A pure regenerer with no dps us hard to beat pvp...but can't farm for crap regenrers need a dps buff now!

Just saying not every class needs to be equal pvp

[Skredperson]

Originally Posted by thatperson

A pure regenerer with no dps us hard to beat pvp...but can't farm for crap regenrers need a dps buff now!

support...as long as meleers can use gems as good as casters

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by Skredperson

guarantee I can kill mobs faster than Alas and not a Dder, classes are meant to have perks unique to them, we can't all have everything

So what you are saying is that staff DD has a PVP disadvantage, it's part of the class 'perks' and your toon can farm faster than a dotter, equip degen arrow, cleansing quiver, temper them, then equip steel fangs and hit with quad openers, and stun.....

Thank you, that is exactly the reason i started this thread, staff dd pvp is at a significant disadvantage, with zero options to counter.

[Skredperson]

...unless I daze kill a DD caster in pvp I'm screwed...and why the hell would I equip those things when I don't need them?

[banndintheusa]

Originally Posted by Skredperson

...unless I daze kill a DD caster in pvp I'm screwed...and why the hell would I equip those things when I don't need them?

Really? so log your OP DD staffer and go get the free tc from alastrina. Prove me wrong.

So far you and your hubby have come here explaining how staff PVP is weak and part of the 'class perks' and that you can equip several pieces of gear I can't, that all have significant PVP advantages. In fact your class is so strong, you don't even need the extra gear and on top of it you can farm faster than dotters.

All of which i agree with, and why this thread was started. Alastrina proved it. Skred/TP just further proved my point... the staff DD build needs a bit of help.

Thanks skred.

For god sakes archer DD get 75% double cast bonus AND shaft of death LOL... how does that make any sense at all???????? WHy doesnt staff DD get 75% double cast? Or shaft of death like skill? Or quad opener like skill? Bloodraw rune for healing? Steel fangs for leech?

we get...drumroll... slightly faster farming low level mobs?


I don't want any nerfs, dont wan't anything else changed. Just want staff DD gears or skills to bring us up to PVP equality, its not extreme its not unfair and im willing to pay $$$ for it.

Hey glitch, if you drop new Staff DD arena gear/skills to balance these issues ill bliss 500 bucks on my toon this month. Watch all the other staff DD'ers spend $$$ too, there's a need to be filled and the money is there waiting if you just make a few small changes!!!!

[Skredperson]

when did I say I had DD caster??

[banndintheusa]

Still waiting to hear a single suggestion for a staff DDer alternative, counter, or comparable skill to ANY of the following:

- rupture
- degen arrow
- cleansing quiver
- steel fangs
- deathblow
- bloodraw rune
- shaft of death
- 3 missing item tempers

Every other toon in the game has one or several of the above and we cant equip, make use of or defend against in them in anyway at all.

Staff DD has zero.

Yet every other class has cnt, that alone shuts us down for the most part. Or can use a a discourage pouch and stun/leech/damage simultaneously.

Give us an opener skill, finishing skill or new gears, or allow us to equip bow as well

...and now we are even... not ahead... just even.

Every other class in the game is going to disagree because they dont benefit... but not a word i've said in this thread is untrue, and blaze has already proved it...staff DD can't win in PVP.

Im only suggesting equality. Not a nerf, not a buff.

Money's waiting for you glitch. Let's fix this.