Damage Negation Auras
Old 10-13-2012, 12:12 AM   #1
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Default Damage Negation Auras

I would really like to see the damage by mitigated not by a concrete # but rather by a %.... At higher levels these numbers do absolutely nothing and the aura becomes rather useless. This is not an opinion, but rather a fact. I am a fairly social person and I do not know one player who uses these auras anymore. They have just become a waste of space in the town pet stores.
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Old 10-13-2012, 03:37 AM   #2
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True true true, they are rarely used in PVP now, average damage in matches has grown so much since then, so their negated damage amount has bacame too weak to make a significant difference even with Paladin class :/ maybe we need some epic versions of defensive aura gems, kinda a boon for supportive paladin builds :3 ? :/
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:34 AM   #3
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as a support pally, i support more epic defensive auras for sure. Same with swapping to percentages on the negation/mirror/etc auras.
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Old 10-14-2012, 03:22 AM   #4
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Support, those auras are kinda worthless now
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:47 PM   #5
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That is a good idea, I don't know anyone that uses these as they are now. Support
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:30 PM   #6
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I am in full support towards changing these auras to % so they're actually useful beyond lvl 20, however, I think if they are changed to a %, the numbers need to be reduced somewhat, perhaps even in half:

Currently:

Rk 9 Thorns - 21 reflected
Rk 9 Reflection - 10 absorb/reflect
Rk 9 Dam Negation - 20 absorb

Best class combo(for all 3 together, specific classes can be better for one single gem) - Pally/Jew, 24% to beneficial auras, 2%(secondary) to all colors.
Palisade - 40% to these gems specifically
Shared Bliss - 25% to bene auras, which these are

So that's:
Throns - 21*1.24*1.02*1.4*1.25 = 46.48
Reflection - 10*1.24*1.02*1.4*1.25 = 22.13
Negation = 20*1.24*1.02*1.4*1.25 = 44.27

I think we can see why if they were changed to %s, that would be op. Keep in mind, they affect the whole group, not just you. Negation and Reflection would stack for 51.03% damage absorb. Now put that on a tank, or a Caster w/angelic...yea

Someone can correct my math if I'm forgetting anything. But let's think, 66-68 damage, when most capped toons are hitting 800-1ks(crits obviously higher, as well as lg's, normal hits/pets a little less), this is currently less than 10% "absorption," and when you still need stoic/imperv/lucid/etc/etc in play...these get tossed out immediately.

They do need to be...better...but not much. If ##s were cut in 1/2, and changed to %, what would happen:

Low levels of these gems would be terrible, simply put, 2% absorption when mobs hit for 20...is still 0. Worse off than before. But high lvls of the gems would be(half of above), giving 23%, 11%, and 22% buffs(~18%, ~9%, and ~17% for non-pally/jew btw), which when at cap, and taking 500+ hits, going for bosses than can hit for 4k+, high end pvp being the same, I feel like they would fit in very well, especially b/c most people would only have 1 of them, due to still wanting other auras out as well. This would fit in better with mitigation armor/shields as well, as just another small % boost, but nothing crazy like 50%, so stacking in nicely imo. However, they would need to be rescaled a little.

Oh, DD'ers might whine a little though about the reflection ones...
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:31 PM   #7
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I'd actually support a mix of both.

Either the same number of points, or half of that in percentage, whichever is higher. This would make the auras viable in PvP, and still useful at lower levels (where a 2 point damage reflect is QUITE better than a 1% reflect)
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:43 PM   #8
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They won't be changed, but adding some much lower value % based ones would be a good idea.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:40 PM   #9
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Yay for enchanters and paladins!
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:23 PM   #10
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/c Why couldn't we get a skill to add a percent change to the gem Group itself
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:58 AM   #11
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They won't be changed, but adding some much lower value % based ones would be a good idea.
Very well, then this would be a nice "epic version" of the auras? yes?
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Very well, then this would be a nice "epic version" of the auras? yes?
Most likely :3
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