casters are too OP

How could a caster lvl 85 with almost -1k skills total and half XP total can kill a mob in 30 seconds and the melee player (slasher in this case) can kill the same mob in 1 min 30 seconds?????

I know my built isnt maybe the best but still... thts a huge difference.

so i propose to buff all other classes to be able at a certain point to crit at 2k + like casters can do...

ty

[thatperson]

omfg

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by annabel

How could a caster lvl 85 with almost -1k skills total and half XP total can kill a mob in 30 seconds and the melee player (slasher in this case) can kill the same mob in 1 min 30 seconds?????

I know my built isnt maybe the best but still... thts a huge difference.

so i propose to buff all other classes to be able at a certain point to crit at 2k + like casters can do...

ty

im gonna assume this is sarcasm, cause there is no way this could be serious.

and in the small chance that it is serious, i suggest you actually attempt to build a caster, and then improve your own char, and THEN see how "OP" a caster is.

[Conqueror]

She is expressing a concern that has been expressed by many people before.

To rephrase her statement, a caster with a skill total of only 1k and half of her total experience is able to kill a given creature almost 1 minute faster than she is able to.

Mobs do not use damage negation auras or shields; they are simply slaughtered by the onslaught that casters can unleash. Casters do have an advantage in pve combat. This is a fact. There is no point in flaming the opening poster for stating the obvious.



After all, how many non-casters do you know that can do the following:



I've seen worse being double casted.

Now imagine what will happen when epic gems become more readily available.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Conqueror

She is expressing a concern that has been expressed by many people before.

To rephrase her statement, a caster with a skill total of only 1k and half of her total experience is able to kill a given creature almost 1 minute faster than she is able to.

Mobs do not use damage negation auras or shields; they are simply slaughtered by the onslaught that casters can unleash. Casters do have an advantage in pve combat. This is a fact. There is no point in flaming the opening poster for stating the obvious.



After all, how many non-casters do you know that can do the following:



I've seen worse being double casted.

Now imagine what will happen when epic gems become more readily available.

saying they are OPed implyes that they are OPed at every aspect of the game.

PvE is a single aspect and they are ONLY "OP" against mobs under blacks.

and stating that a 30 sec kill speed = OPed is stupid, as most capped melee users (decent onces and not all whip users) are able to kill that fast if not slightly faster.

the point that the op has stated this shows how low their knowledge of the game is.

casters are NOT op at all. yes they can kill mobs faster, but that isnt till end game for most, and even then takes a ****load of over skilling to be able to do it.

Anna, any type of char can be OPed enough to kill mobs in 30 seconds. Casters can do it earlier but with many, rather crippling limitations. they can't tank. mana and energy balance/downtine, etc.

Conq, there is no way you are a capped toon <3.

peace

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by klippi

Conq, there is no way you are a capped toon <3.

I am not.

Do /buddy Conqueror and you will see.

I am level 1.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

PvE is a single aspect and they are ONLY "OP" against mobs under blacks.

Ask anyone and they would rather have a caster with them when farming anything black. You know that as well as I do.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

and stating that a 30 sec kill speed = OPed is stupid, as most capped melee users (decent onces and not all whip users) are able to kill that fast if not slightly faster.

She was talking about a caster having a 30 second kill for something that took her more than a minute and a half to take out.

Read her post again carefully.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

the point that the op has stated this shows how low their knowledge of the game is.

She must know something. She is capped and has 13 billion xp. One can only stumble in the darkness for so long before picking up a grain of wisdom along the way.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

casters are NOT op at all. yes they can kill mobs faster, but that isnt till end game for most, and even then takes a ****load of over skilling to be able to do it.

It takes over-skilling to build any good toon.

In my experience, casters need less xp to be good than comparable melee or ranged characters which was the op's observation too. A caster with half as much xp is killing twice as fast as she is.

[Sanluciferr]

You guys need to have a caster and test the things out to know.

Casters are really random fights she just pointed out 1, in avg i would tell you that the best class to farm is an Archer and or Whipper with Rabid aura so far(with equivalent skills )

Other point to have in consideration i keep running out of mana an energy on arena badly, tempers are giving an advantage to melees and rangers since it require more cast in order to take that huge amounts of hps that casters cant have if they want to be useful with the help of a taunter.

In 1vs1 is more and more difficult lately for me, we cant temper as much as a 2h with archery set or as much as a dw with archery set.

We dont have the defense that you guys can have with a shield or whips... ( it is a huge difference on black black mobs, we cant survive) and to make it more funny Glitchless gave you guys a buff in an aspect that you guys were already dominating.

Casters without a taunter are nothing. We only shine in group and regular farming when numbers are on our side but let me tell you that you cant play a caster as much as you could troll multitasking with another class it sucks , trust me.

2h users need an improvement , Archers are complete now with shield whips and etc. Dw users need a little more damage (piercers with the most recent patch got a slap in the face) and last but not least , casters need to check the cost of the gems now that enemies in pvp and pve have lots of hp and defense.

Just in my honest opinion.

[lankas]

Timings:
With 94 crushers, str >600, weaponry skills >85, some >90
Great Dam ~50s, best 40s, worst >1min
North lake ~55s, best 45s, worst >1 min

With 83 whips, 1 gator 1 owl, Beastmastery skills >85, some >90

Great Dam ~55s
North lake ~1min
I am sure I can get to ~50s, need 92 whips (noone selling, to much from shop)
+ 1 gator.

With rare 99 bow set, dex ~380, int+cnc = ~750, archery skills >87, some >90
Great Dam ~1.20 min, sometimes ~55s, sometimes >1 min 40s (my lvl 83)
North lake ~1 min 30s, sometimes 1 min, sometimes >2 min (my lvl 84)

Archery is not good for plvling, when in group - increase of missing.

In average I never take time in calculation, it's easyier to calculate how much trophies I get in one rrt hour. Mate with caster build from my clan get about ~15% more trophies than me. And he have only ~5.6 bil exp with 85 red magic.
I do believe that casters with 99 gems can get a lot more than he is.

I get about 180 trophies per 1 hour in Great Dam

Originally Posted by Sanlucifer

in avg i would tell you that the best class to farm is an Archer

Really? who told you that? with 85 lvl cap archers are one the worst classes for trophies farming, you can ask any archer, except gwen. I cant imagine how much time need to kill mob in North lake for bow user - non archer with 88 archery set.
BTW Ghosttamer already rebuilded her build to whips (deleveled magic)
Question why if archery is so good.


Few months ago I rebuilded "lankas" from archery to caster with 85 red, black gems. Yes, killing time was a lot better than with archery, but I hated, to much concentration need for that, I like to watch movie or something else in same time, so rebuilded back to archery.

[Conqueror]

I don't know which archers you have been hanging out with San.

Many casters with less xp than I have, farm quite a bit faster than I do (report a considerably higher trophy count at the end of 3 hours of rrt). A lot of melees (especially crushers) report faster farming times than mine as well although melee times are more comparable to mine.

I can also back up Lankas's observation that archers are not the best player lvlers either. I seem to miss quite a bit more when I am grouped.

[Sanluciferr]

Dude you guys have no idea how casters are, ask a caster if they always kill under 30 seconds, sometimes we have fights of over 1minute and a half.

Not to mention the time that i have seen casters taking on looting to recover mana and energy.

So please , please try to see how it really is and not how it could be.

Thats why i said in Avrg. i seen archers i ask archers i know archers are better to farm but not as good as dw with rabids now i have to say.

But come on lets be honest, in arena against hot pepper i remember been full hp with another caster and she happen to kill us badly with whip and shield and rocking it like a pro, archers do have the potential and are actually a COMPLETE class now.

We we we take time dedication and clicking like no other class in the game, and just because we can kill the fastest most of the times ( there should always be some class like that but with other weakness) so please dont troll around all the time because we actually need a balance in pvp , it is ridiculous how much they resist.

[lankas]

Originally Posted by Sanlucifer

Thats why i said in Avrg. i seen archers i ask archers i know archers are better to farm but not as good as dw with rabids now i have to say.

But come on lets be honest, in arena against hot pepper i remember been full hp with another caster and she happen to kill us badly with whip and shield and rocking it like a pro, archers do have the potential and are actually a COMPLETE class now.

Pls write here archers name who told you that they are better to farm trophies in 85+ zones

you were killed by hotpepper, nice, you been very unlucky.
Shield archers are useless, they have no str, so very small blocking chance (about 10%).
So if hotpepper deflected your magic.... what can I say, luck
And archers dont use shield for testudo, cause they cant use autoshoot or testudo will disapear. (Some archers use shield for testudo in arena to remove dmg from starting gems)

I had duels against few casters, I have no chance with pure archer or shield archer, sometimes with whips I can get half of those casters hp down.
But I never won (I am speaking about good casters).

[Sanluciferr]

No, you dont need Str, you go all AGI and you kite too with AGI and DEX, i cant believe u mentioned str....

Also, get ur important skills up to 95 and lets duel, get some good agi and cnt , some gems and then we will talk about it ok?

I dont want to start another buff my class nerf the rest, i was explaining how casters are overall.

Archers are complete idk what else you can ask, casters would never be complete and they are getting worst.

[chrisdj]

Have to agree with lankas and conq farming in 85+ zones archers are slower for farming and if grouped tend to miss more and hit lower crits than when solo for some reason

and shield archery??? after being double nurffed with a 22% slow down and a -50% less chance to block its a joke i just cant understand why out of all the classes archery gets shafted BOTH ways especialy how much it costs to level up protection to make a shield archer!

the time penalty should be be put back down to 10% (where it was before glitch nurffed it or chance to block be the same as any other class! it's grossly unbalenced to have both these in place

and if archery is such a 'complete class' why are we having to become shield/whipper/archer just to help us we a chance to survive! surely pure archery would be good enough on its own if what you say is true?

i wish someone had given me a gem capible of negating 20% of damage insted of having to build up shield/blocking/deflect and get double nurffed for my troubles

sorry to go on but get very hacked off and frustated with the way archery is treated currently

[lankas]

I have 22 bil exp, and I need like 10 bil more exp to compete with other builds.
And still it wont be enough cause other builds get bonus from their right class

[Sanluciferr]

Im done.

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by chrisdj

and shield archery??? after being double nurffed with a 22% slow down and a -50% less chance to block its a joke i just cant understand why out of all the classes archery gets shafted BOTH ways especialy how much it costs to level up protection to make a shield archer!

the time penalty should be be put back down to 10% (where it was before glitch nurffed it or chance to block be the same as any other class! it's grossly unbalenced to have both these in place

Shields worked like this before

You couldn't block while autoshooting and the shield gave you a 25% delay penalty. Basically all a shield did was give extra armor class.


Shields work like this now

You can block while autoshooting (at half the rate of melee toons) and you get a 22% delay penalty.

You can also use testudo. 1st hit has to be an autoattack though. Autoattack first and then shift to autoshoot. If you start out with a ranged hit, the testudo dissipates.

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Shields are actually useful now. In the past, they were useless for autoshooting archers. The penalty is lower and it is possible to block while autoshooting.

I don't know where you got the 10% penalty from. The penalty was always 25% as far back as I can remember. 22% is the lowest that it has ever been.

It used to be 15% for whips though. Maybe you are thinking about that.

Basically what I am saying is that I agree with the op. I think archery and dual wield toons should get some sort of a damage boost. That is just my opinion though.

Archers, could also use a speed boost (archery gear is slower than comparable melee gear) and some sort of an accuracy boost (missing really hurts as 1 missed shot = 2 or more missed melee attacks).

Cheers

[lankas]

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Basically what I am saying is that I agree with the op. I think archery and dual wield toons should get some sort of a damage boost. That is just my opinion though.

Cheers

dual wield toons are good, I use 94 crushers and believe me, alot better than 99 archery

[thatperson]

im with san even at midgame with a full pouch my caster with gems all 10 lvls above him can do 30s kills but can also take 1.5 min cause of the restorers that are required in the pouch to survive

Why is it everyone that can't kill claims other classes are over powered? Get a character to max lvl redo stats to your preference, and see how OPed you are compared to a beginner.