casters are too OP

Really nice stat

Ok just to answer the comment :

"casters sacrafice defense for offense. They are powerful but have regen times and have to use mana/energy to attack unlike melee."

Nowaday caster can have build with about 110 - 130 def, I inspect about 10 caster to see that. let say 120 def compare to 140 for melee. they have about 16% less def than melee.
But caster also have acces to angelic aura, who reduce for even more than 16% dmg at max rank. And even if that gem reduce staff dmg they still farm faster than melee.

So all in all that argue that say that caster have much less def is totaly false, they have about the same than a normal dual melee or 2h melee user.


"They are a trophy sink"

Maybe they need more skill than other that's true but put it in context.
They need a few life skills for farming. When you farm you dont heal yourself too much (who wont agree).
They will need probably all death skill (that's the big part and im agree that's a lot)
They will need a few grey skill, but no high lvl skill (so it cost a bit they too but not too much)
Melee only need weaponry to do maximum dmg (they need pet skill and other but caster have also access to that so that's even)

So all in all let say that they have double needs in trophies then melee to achieve a uber build

But anyway they farm twice the speed like i said earlier most people seems to agree with me on that point caster farm faster ... so in fact they will raise their skill at the same speed than melee. They need twice and produce twice, they are not more trophies sink than melee.


"and the ones that people see and then say all casters are OP are ones that have got their skills up to get r20 gems and several other skills 90+."


Ok put that argue in context, i dont say that caster are OP (look above) i say they farm much faster than melee for the same amount of time spend. I got a friend who's a caster. about the same xp total than another friend who have about the same amount of xp too. the caster farm twice faster, and both use a traditionnal build, no experimental stuff who can be crappy.

So they are OP (maybe) but only if you compare them to a melee with the same amount of XP at cap.


So in fact, caster are more better farmer and other 3 class (archer melee bm) will never have access to that kind of farming speed unless they turn to pure caster, switch their stat, raise all the skill of caster, and buy a bunch of gem.

I think that other class should have access (even if they have to pay more gold or skills) to the same farming speed than caster (or at least something closer than half) without having to turn them into caster, so that every character building speed will be more even.

Thanks for all comment its really interesting to see your point of view.

[thatperson]

everyone has the option to have multiple equipment sets and multiple pouches learn to use them and stop all the f***ing b***hing

Can you say:

TROLL'D

I think thatperson have a really nice point here.

So why don't he share with us a way to not being a caster but farm like a caster by mixing all kind of gem and equip like he said.

I think he don't really know what he's talking about. But maybe I'm wrong, can he prove it?

Originally Posted by MrBrux

"They are a trophy sink"

Maybe they need more skill than other that's true but put it in context.
They need a few life skills for farming. When you farm you dont heal yourself too much (who wont agree).
They will need probably all death skill (that's the big part and im agree that's a lot)
They will need a few grey skill, but no high lvl skill (so it cost a bit they too but not too much)
Melee only need weaponry to do maximum dmg (they need pet skill and other but caster have also access to that so that's even)

thnx for obvious evidence that you dont have much idea about building caster

[flipynifty]

regeners are too OP!

[thatperson]

final build 120 99 120 1 OMG I DONT HAVE 140 MELEE AND DEFENSE IM GONA SUCK

magic 2:1 cnc:mst ending with ~300 cnc and 200 mst this way

78 staff fully enchanted for int can yield up to 96 int alone enchant armor til you have ~300-400 int and put the rest split 50/50 into mst/pst

pouch full of DDs and restorers and your set (not to mention if u have str in ur melee build you will do considerable staff damage also)

in Pvp this caster build wont be up to par with a caster whose mainstats are built like casters but in PvE youll be fine

1. Tards. Casters are in no way OPd.
2. Nice Kyron :O
3. Klippi, you suck. OPDs > recastables.

Kyrons team are 2 shielders and 1 caster and we loose like 50% of battles with them,you dont see me complainin :P

[Sanluciferr]

Menas team is all melees and we lose 70% of the time too and we dont complain.

Thatperson, thanks for your example, its really interesting,

The only problem is that you dont prove another kind of playing with melee weapon.

All you do is make a melee with more casting ability, you put a staff and gem, and so you prove that a melee who sacrifice a bit of his melee hability will be a better farmer because he will be a bit more like a caster.

So with your build we see that, the more you are like a caster (staff and good DD gem) the more you will farm faster. But you still have the opportunities to play strong as a melee.

Its really interesting but there is still a problem because a melee who want to farm faster will have to sacrifice his own class strenght to change a bit like a caster and so he will farm faster. And even there, caster will farm faster that him.

Anyway, your build was really interesting thanks for sharing it with us, and sorry if i didnt beleive you


For those who think we are complaining about caster are OP please read carefully.

We are'nt complaining about caster OP in PVP nor in arena, not at all, that class is interesting in there and i don't think it should be change at all.

We are complaing about the fact that caster farm (PVE only) way faster at cap than all other character class (melee archer and BM).

So please talk for the good topic,
Thanks

[thatperson]

500 str is plenty of str to make do damage with crushers and with 120 melee you can have ~280 str and dex with another equipment suit with str enchants (or dex if piercer) and maybe a bit of dex if ur a slasher but u will be plenty capable of using melee weapons

Originally Posted by MrBrux

We are complaing about the fact that caster farm (PVE only) way faster at cap than all other character class (melee archer and BM).

So please talk for the good topic,
Thanks

geef numbers...

Dear Mr. Brux,

It has come to my attention that there is an overflow of tardsauce coming from you. Because of this, we will have to perform a mandatory clean up.

I regret to inform you that you have no intelligence and must not breed at all, even though you are only 12. We will take measures to enact this protocol and you will comply with them.

Also, your lack of experience and English skills lead us to believe you are a 12 year old with Down Syndrome and are unable to complete even the most simple of tasks with relative ease. So to keep to the status quo...here is what will happen:

You will be brought to Maury
Your REAL parents will be brought to justice for not taking the easy way out with you.
Your Mom and Dad, who are brother and sister, will be put back on the retard reserve in Mississippi and you will be handed over to NAMBLA where you will help brighten the days of one lucky family, every day.
You will follow these protocols.

Have a nice day and remember, the more you repulse the more your new family will love you.

Really funny to hear that from someone who don't wanna name himself in the game, ...

For your information i'm not 12 and i make a lot of mistake in english because that's not my first language but I still speak your language because it seems to be the way on Nod and the whole internet.

Most english people don't know a 2nd language, and if they know another one, they are way worst than i am in english, so please stop talking about how crappy I am in englsh.

Now, im defending my point here because I think that its unfaair that caster farm twice the speed that other class in this game, and i think something should be change.

I understand that melee character can use a staff for farming and some gem, to raise their speed, but i still think that "transforming yourself" as a caster for the farming session is not acceptable, and all class should have the opportunities to gather their ressource (trophies drops epic ...) while playing their class the way they are intend to de played.

Now again im talking about character at CAP.

And im not talking about caster in pvp, i think they are perfect and they should stay that way for pvp, pk and arena.

thatperson gave me some interesting point thanks to him.

But for those who just dirty talk about me, well the fact is there, caster farm faster than all other class at cap, but if your not agree, if you think it should stay that way, or if you're a caster and want to stay faster farmer than all other class (superiority trip), then agrue like a mature person or refrain from posting here.

Thank you.

Dear Mr. Brux,

I apologize to read that you feel that way.

Your generalizations and your lack of understanding of a second language and then justifying it by comparing yourself to the stereotype of English speakers is quite disturbing and how do you say...immature.

If you want to post maturely, that's fine, but I ask that you do so maturely and in at least not-so-tardsauce-English.

P.S. I do not feel it is necessary to provide in-game information to correctly point out that you sir, are tardsauce, who fails at typing English despite the fact that English dictionaries are available online and in bookstores.

P.P.S I could provide in-game details and they could be false, but you would most likely never know.

P.P.P.S I

P.P.P.P.S love

P.P.P.P.P.S Andy

P.P.P.P.P.P.S Warhaw

P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S You're welcome

[Sanluciferr]

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Hi,

It seems that you don't really have any arguement against the subject of the topic here "caster are too OP" since the only thing you have to say is how bad my english is.

But hey, you just probably don't know anything about what we are talking about here do you?
Do you know anything about how to build a character for effective farming. hmmm its hard to understand.

Why do I know that? well, because

A) you never answered anything related to the topic.

B) you have to hide yourself behind a false name to protect yourself.

C) you have to attack others with some unreleated things just because you feel so bad how lame is your life that you have to attack others to feel a bit better.

So conclusion, you are probably a little teanager who don't really have a life or any friend in real life.

But hey, I don't blame you I know how hard it can be to be alone, so you mess with people with unreleated things just because you have nothing else to do.

Please refrain from talking here unless you want to talk about the topic here "caster are too OP" which i really doubt you can really argue about.

PROVE IT OR DON'T POST.


Now releating about the topic, I am thinking about making a caster,

Since most of the people here seems to find that its suppose to be normal that a melee with the same amout of total xp that a caster make half the reward for the same amont of time farming.

They also seems to be a nice and fun character to play.

I'm still thinking the advantage between caster is other class is unfair when farming and so im happy to announce that :

New Archery Skill Tonight v1.249

A new skill that may boost the dps of archer and maybe that will help them farm a bit faster

I hope a skill for melee will follow.

Thanks for all your concern about that topics

Originally Posted by MrBrux

Hi,

Now relating about the topic, I am thinking about making a caster,

Since most of the people here seems to find that its suppose to be normal that a melee with the same amout of total xp that a caster make half the reward for the same amont of time farming.

They also seems to be a nice and fun character to play.

I'm still thinking the advantage between caster is other class is unfair when farming

OK. So as a non caster reading this and related threads, this is what I get out of it:

Caster - Pros:
1) Stupid Crazy Crits in both PvE and PvP
2) Much better damage against higher level bosses that are well above the player's level, since damage reduction due to level differences are not applied or not as strongly applied.
3) At medium - high to high levels, farms much more quickly than other classes.
4) Useful in arena due to gems that hit all opps, and high damage gems that can help take out the 'dangerous' opp first.

Neutral (or slightly Pro)
1) Very Dangerous in PvP against unprepared melee opponents due to massive crits, but can be dealt with fairly well using appropriate skills / gems. Not sure whether preparation gives clear advantage or merely returns to even footing.

2) Even with mana and energy heals, you run out of mana and energy, and even when you don't you need to recover them between fights, so it might not be that fast to farm.. just the fight is fast. Or else you need more recovery gems or else (gasp) some levels in Recovery. However, most casters seem to manage, since the contention is that casters farm more quickly OVERALL.. and that includes any pebbles on the road.


Cons
1) There is no autoattack / autoshoot. You play every second in combat.

2) It is much harder to develop a caster; Low to medium low level casters are hard to develop and build, and take a bit longer / more effort to "get there". The results at the end are your reward for getting there.
* Gems cost boku gold. You are upgrading your pouch much more frequently than non-casters, but other stuff you need, like healing pets, weapons and armor still cost boku gold;
* You need concentration AND Int to succeed, so where do you get your Mst Points from, anyway? (or flip it, you need Mst, so where is your Cnc or Int coming from?)
* You need some Melee, especially early, you live and die by Magic, so Defense and your hp suffers, some, although may be not too bad at the end, or with tempers -- but you still need a tank or healer for the hard fights or arena.

3) Everyone hates you in arena, and you get knocked out earlier.

4) Non casters hate how fast you farm, and write " they are so fast, so buff me pl0x" forum posts.

Ok. Removing tongue from cheek on the last two.

Is it FAIR for casters to farm so much more quickly at higher levels? Hell no! I am a slasher, and it takes me 45 seconds to beat a white mob. Buff me pl0x. I want to farm a a white in 25 seconds, too.

Objectively... How did I do in summarizing things? Not.. "are these things fair..." but.. "is this the core of the argument"?

-Ane

this whole topic is going nowhere since there's too many kids on this forum.... PLZ JEFF / GLITCHLESS close this thread, I'm rlly sorry i'll stick to adult forums next time, ty.