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casters are op. <2 second kills.

Any class where looting takes longer than killing: op

So what if a well skilled BM is a good tank. His DPS is pretty crappy. He isn't killing anything fast. He just survives for a long time.

With all weaponry/BM skills at 80, 81 slasher kills 10-12 seconds faster than BM with alligators. Shrug. You guys just complain because BM can kill boss solo. Well that's what tanks are for: Tanking. Their DPS causes them to kill bosses very slowly. But slow and steady wins the race?

[Conqueror]

BM's don't have crappy dps Poopoo. They have better dps than equivalent slashers. The whips by themselves would have crappy dps; add in the dps from 2 pets including the bleeds and whippers have better dps than most comparable builds. Only thing that definitively beats a whipper in terms of dps is an offensive caster, but that again is not saying much.

bow user w/whips - bow users wins

Don't forget the horrendous 25% per whip delay penalty for bow users.

After spending millions of gold on the beast mastery skills, bow users barely break even with whippers in terms of dps. In some ways, whippers would probably have the higher dps. The only reason that a bow user would want to use the whips, in the first place, is for their healing potential and their growling potential.

So no ... a bow user with whips would not always win. 25% penalty per whip is a bit steep to digest. Best chance that bow user has is to break even. Usually, they will be a little bit behind.

I won't dwell on the 89 crushers but I am pretty certain that whip + pet dps is higher than dw 89 crusher dps.

The bottom line is that the healing has been nerfed

Last time I checked, mobs, heroic mobs, bosses, heroic bosses etc etc were not using rabid auras.

Plus as I have pointed out, whipper dps is not low. It is pretty high. Giving people the following choice:

(A) let your opponent heal
(B) let your opponent hit you even harder than before

is not really a nerf in my opinion. It is more of a

"Pick which way you would like to die option."

"Out of the frying pan into the fire" if you will.

[SiSiX]

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[SiSiX]

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[figgy]

"I won't dwell on the 89 crushers but I am pretty certain that whip + pet dps is higher than dw 89 crusher dps. "

That is funny conqueror, a piece of information that is cast aside because it does not fall into your view of things. " pretty sure" is a lame attempt to explain things away. I also did not realize that crushers do not get pet dps, I guess that only applies to whip users - or does it?

In order to say that any class is op, you have to prove it, and there is nothing in this thread from top to bottom that has any shred of proof to prove anything. That includes casters as being op as well. It is all misdirections, half truths and feelings. It did turn into a witch hunt after all but at least this time there is only a few hunters, just a hand full of them. That in itself speaks volumes.

Happy hunting

[Conqueror]

I didn't talk about the 89 crushers because I wasn't number punching Figgy. I have never used the 89 crushers myself so I can't speak about them off the top of my head. But I am somewhat experienced with bows so I spent more time addressing the bow issue. I could punch some numbers for the 89's if you like.

For whippers ==>

Start with the pet's base damage:
X 2 from taming at 100
X 1.25 from ferocity at 100
X1.24 from the Beast Master bonus at 100
X 2 from stalking at 100
X 1.5 for a crit
Crit means bleed so X 2 there

Don't forget that we are doubling all of this because there are two pets and not one.

The 74 whips are pretty decent weapons too and they reflect 20% of the opponent's damage back onto the attacker.

You thought I forgot about the whips didn't you.

All this and we haven't even started on the heals yet.

Pray tell me how the beast master's dps is low.

And please share your definition of overpowered. I am curious as to how you define overpowered.

There is a reason Poopoo and about half of Nodiatis shifted to using whips. Even people who don't use whips all the time have a backup set of whips sitting in their inventory.



But like I said ==> I really don't care if anything changes. I play the game as long as I enjoy it and then I will move on. During the time that I do play this game, I will do everything in my power to make my archer the best that I can make it. If that means using whips, shields and gems in addition to my bow, then that is exactly what I will do. In fact that is what I am working on right now.

[figgy]

You are just rehashing information on the skills page, we all can read that ourselves and it is not proof of anything. I can easily read off the skills of a magic user as you just did for bm's but that will only prove that I can read, it does not prove that they are op.

The dps on whips is the lowest of all weapons, so pets are needed to balance things.

My definition of overpowered is that it does not exist on any one type of class but it does exist on how well a build is made regardless of one's class.

Healing is now only a benefit to high end level bosses and mobs: healing does not exist in pvp: healing is not needed in farming for trophies but it is useful in 7+ levels mobs and bosses. As cap level increases, the usefulness of the healing decreases as everyone will be able to farm them without issues. Healing now plays a much lesser role then you make it out to be.

I know all about the 89's crushers, when I duel a dual 89 crusher user close to my level of experience with the rabid gem in play, I get the sh.t kicked out of me. It is not even a close duel. This does not support your view that whip users are op. much the opposite in fact as the whip user lost.... bad.

When I farm for trophies, I use one 81 epic slasher and one whip because I kill faster with it then I do with two whips.

So based on my experience, I really do not see your point of view. It makes no sense to me and I really doubt that it is anything other than a witch hunt.

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by figgy

"I won't dwell on the 89 crushers but I am pretty certain that whip + pet dps is higher than dw 89 crusher dps. "

That is funny conqueror, a piece of information that is cast aside because it does not fall into your view of things. " pretty sure" is a lame attempt to explain things away. I also did not realize that crushers do not get pet dps, I guess that only applies to whip users - or does it?

In order to say that any class is op, you have to prove it, and there is nothing in this thread from top to bottom that has any shred of proof to prove anything. That includes casters as being op as well. It is all misdirections, half truths and feelings. It did turn into a witch hunt after all but at least this time there is only a few hunters, just a hand full of them. That in itself speaks volumes.

Happy hunting

I agree with this... It's not so much PvP that I care about as it is PvE.... I sorta made myself look foolish in the PvP thread for sorta... "losing" it. Honestly as long as I can kill in a decent time and farm like I want I don't really care what happens.