Overpowered 3v3 Arena PvP Builds, Vote Here

Sure, give me hundreds of dollars in TC's and i'll prove that any class can be OP. If this wasn't the case then from the get-go Jeff made a game with unfair advantages to players, and should refund money anybody spent on a character YOU deem can't become OP.

All I'm saying is that if you pay hundreds of dollars on your little toon and a spend ton of time on it, and it's NOT op, the issue isn't with the character, it's with the person controlling it. Classes give little bonus's and different abilities, but every class can level any skill, and thus a Magician could be a DW crushing dotting dd'ing fool. A warrior can go full magic and shred with gems.

My point was enough with all the whining aobut who is OP and not. If you think your class sucks, then get better skills. Don't whine about what you "think" can't be done. And an OP adventurer boxer? WTF, grow up and get real and learn how to stay on topic. Who are you to say a capped adventurer with max def/mel and all str/agi wouldn't just OWN with fists? Ever tried it? No? Didn't think so, so stfu and don't come at ME for voicing MY opinion. Jackass

Originally Posted by Bigfeet

Ppl shouldent get punished when they work hard 2 get a better build.

Thanks Bigfeet

[Nemesiss]

what about the people that work just as hard but get shafted simply because thier wep choice? a nerf is never the best way to go but is sometimes needed

[thatperson]

i voted whip users cause they still dominate PvP even with the rabid aura "fix" add in the extra DPS and it makes up for the time they arent healing only build that aura fixed was the tanking BM


as for all the people shouting offensive casters your stupid and should be shot build an anticaster build (which is very easy to do a couple auras and a shield) and they are very easily countered

[flipynifty]

Originally Posted by Nemesiss

what about the people that work just as hard but get shafted simply because thier wep choice? a nerf is never the best way to go but is sometimes needed

like when str was nerfed because DWers were too overpowered and everyone non-dw complained?

[Nemesiss]

exactly

[Conqueror]

Honestly speaking, this is retarded bull.

If I was a potential employer looking to hire people, I would go straight for the beast masters since they are all such a hardworking lot.

Seriously people, read what Lordguy and Mangayatay and the other beastmasters on this thread are writing. "Don't punish us because we work hard." Seems to me like these beastmasters are the hardest working people in the game. Forget archers, and non-whipping dual wielders; those bastards just suck because they are lazy. Never mind Ravenskar, (still the best archer in the game even though he quit), who showed just how impossible it is for an archer to compete without resorting to whips; Skar repeatedly mentioned this fact. The bastard was lazy and he was not spending enough money. Even though Mangayatay here still has less xp than Skar did, Mangayatay and Lordguy (don't let me forget Lordguy) work so hard on their toons that they have to buy a new mouse every week. Due to their hard work, their fingers melt right through their mouse.

And Casters......I absolutely love you guys
Especially Klippi.

You bastards have weapons with the highest base damage in the game. The 99 red inferno + the highest level flare up have a base damage that adds up to almost 1k [99 arrow + 99 bow in comparison has a base damage of around 300]. With epics, you bastards will have weapons with 1k + base damage.

The thing that I love most about you guys is your divine ability to proclaim that you suck with a straight face. I mean, if I was double casting someone for 6k and telling them that I suck at the same time, I would burst out laughing. You mofos can do it with tears in your eyes. I just love that. Klippi has a divine ability to do this. Klippi is Zues incarnate.

SO FELLOW ARCHERS AND NON WHIPPING DUEL WIELDERS ---> GIVE IT UP FOR THE BEAST MASTERS; HIP HIP HOORAY FOR MANGAYATAY, LORDGUY AND TRAGICALLYHIP, THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE THAT EVER LIVED.

AND ALSO GIVE IT UP FOR KLIPPI, AND EVERY OTHER CASTER OUT THERE. KLIPPI IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WILL EAT YOUR TWIX BAR IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, AND CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WAS THE ONE WHO ATE IT. THREE CHEERS FOR KLIPPI.

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Honestly speaking, this is retarded bull.

If I was a potential employer looking to hire people, I would go straight for the beast masters since they are all such a hardworking lot.

Seriously people, read what Lordguy and Mangayatay and the other beastmasters on this thread are writing. "Don't punish us because we work hard." Seems to me like these beastmasters are the hardest working people in the game. Forget archers, and non-whipping dual wielders; those bastards just suck because they are lazy. Never mind Ravenskar, (still the best archer in the game even though he quit), who showed just how impossible it is for an archer to compete without resorting to whips; Skar repeatedly mentioned this fact. The bastard was lazy and he was not spending enough money. Even though Mangayatay here still has less xp than Skar did, Mangayatay and Lordguy (don't let me forget Lordguy) work so hard on their toons that they have to buy a new mouse every week. Due to their hard work, their fingers melt right through their mouse.

And Casters......I absolutely love you guys
Especially Klippi.

You bastards have weapons with the highest base damage in the game. The 99 red inferno + the highest level flare up have a base damage that adds up to almost 1k [99 arrow + 99 bow in comparison has a base damage of around 300]. With epics, you bastards will have weapons with 1k + base damage.

The thing that I love most about you guys is your divine ability to proclaim that you suck with a straight face. I mean, if I was double casting someone for 6k and telling them that I suck at the same time, I would burst out laughing. You mofos can do it with tears in your eyes. I just love that. Klippi has a divine ability to do this. Klippi is Zues incarnate.

SO FELLOW ARCHERS AND NON WHIPPING DUEL WIELDERS ---> GIVE IT UP FOR THE BEAST MASTERS; HIP HIP HOORAY FOR MANGAYATAY, LORDGUY AND TRAGICALLYHIP, THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE THAT EVER LIVED.

AND ALSO GIVE IT UP FOR KLIPPI, AND EVERY OTHER CASTER OUT THERE. KLIPPI IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WILL EAT YOUR TWIX BAR IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, AND CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WAS THE ONE WHO ATE IT. THREE CHEERS FOR KLIPPI.

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[Sanluciferr]

I tell you some facts, Casters DD vs Any other Build that have the same xp or around that taking care , lightly care of defense skills... = casters will always lose, resist resist resist resist prevent no mana no energy, db kicks in Game over.

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by Sanlucifer

I tell you some facts, Casters DD vs Any other Build that have the same xp or around that taking care , lightly care of defense skills... = casters will always lose, resist resist resist resist prevent no mana no energy, db kicks in Game over.

I agree.

What needs to be done (on the caster front at least) is that the other build types need to get damage boosts so that there is some balance between the amount of damage that they can deal out and the amount of damage that casters can deal out. Casters can still have the ability to dish out more damage (because of their mana/energy requirements and because of the potential of bad gem draws) but there has to be some degree of equivalency. Right now the distance is too disparate.

If archers and dual wielders can get some form of a damage boost that will put them on par with casters in terms of being able to deal out raw damage, I will support the motion to reduce the amount of anti-caster measures. It doesn't have to be perfectly equivalent either. When the cap was 70, things were relatively balanced --- casters were still the hardest hitters but archers were a close second. The high level gems are just insane however and casters can deal damage on an entirely different level now.

Regarding beast masters, I don't understand why they can heal at all. The beast master healing ability completely nullifies the point of having a healer in this game. I say, open the healing beast mastery skills to everyone and add some more oomph to healing gems so that dedicated healers have some value in this game. Beast masters are supposed to be offensive characters and the fact that they can heal almost as well if not better than comparable healers is retarded. I propose that the beast master types get some exclusive dps skills while the healing beast mastery skills be opened to everyone (whipper or non-whipper). Special healing gems could be added for people like Faith or Hopilus who choose to build devoted healing toons.

Giving everyone except dedicated healers the same ability to heal will have the added benefit of making fights longer and making duels and arena fights more engaging and fun.

My 2 cents

[thatperson]

what noone seems to realize is that balancing of classes isnt just flat out balancing of dps


its pretty much the average of attack rating and defense rating

casters have a very high attack rating and low defense rating lets use extremes here and go with attack 10 and defenese 3

DWers have medium-high attack rating the ability to hit 800+ crits with some weapons and there being 2 weapons means crits of 1600+ and have a medium defense rating lets go with 7 attack and 5 defense

shield users have lowish attack rating they can still hit those same crits but they negate the second weapon by equipping a shield and they have a very high defense rating we'll go with 4 and 8 here

whip users have a very high attack rating (pets+bleeds+whips can deal over 2k damage with maxed skills) and very high defense due to the fact they have constand 100+ heals going on from pets added to the medium defense of DWers (plus growl) so we have the rabid aura for the heals so we'll go with slightly higher defense than dwers cause of growl and say 10 attack and 6 defense with rabid in play and 7 attack and 8 defense when its not

then we have archers who have relatively high attack power 1k+ crits but weak defenses (most protections are for melee) add in a shield they have medium defenses but slighlty lower attack making it medium again so we can give archers a 7 attack power and a 4 defense without shied and a 6 attack power 6 defense with shield


averages of these are as follows
casters
(10+3)/2=6.5
DWers
(7+5)/2=6
shield users
(4+8)/2=6
whip users
(10+6)/2=8
(7+8)/2=7.5
archers
(7+4)/2=5.5
(6+6)/2=6


from this you can see whips have higher rating than the rest and archers are slightly lagging (yes i do agree they need a slight boost which i believe will come with the cap raise) while everything else is relatively balanced

[Sapreaver]

Its not that things are OP or UP its that the player base is so small that everyone goes to the cookie cutter builds right away as there are to few people playing to properly experiment with out getting basshed by power gamers. If the game had 5000+ players there would be less people at the cookie factory and more people messing with strange builds.
Right now at cap its like this afaict duel someone and if you lose go to the forums and ask for a buff ala rougetiger or change your character to look like thier toon.
if you win you laugh at them brag and say you should do this this and this or your build sucks.

alot of these problems are cause by the power gamers in nod. If nod were to go up to 7 or 8 thousand players, yes there would still be the power gamers but the people who play for fun and not to grow thier e-peen would be higher allowing for a much nicer time and less whiny threads.
Hell even putting a maximum amount of skills for skill categories would help a bit if people had to choose what they wanted specialize in rather then being able to level everything.

In someways less choices leaves... More choices.

[Mangayatay]

time to nerf polls and solicitations...make the game as you plan glitch going to lots of penalties on skills gives you more exp anyway horray to that! wish i can be a hard whiners and writers on this forum but im not i rather play the game and stfu

[Sanluciferr]

Wow, this is the first time ever i agree on almost everything with Conqueror and thatperson ( i ignored the numbers btw).

Well i will share my 2cents too:


1st: Casters DD are; by far the worst class in PvP Because of how easy is to resist or nullify or even mirror or reflect or deflect or prevent...or well growl too oh what the hell i will say block too ( sounds bad right?) the Dds and i will also like to add the fact that Mana and Energy is not infinite and there is a LOT of ways to mess with their mana or energy too.... and they cant change to other thing, why? they get a 30 seconds stun penalty.

I would like to add some more extra drama to the casters by saying that clicking clicking clicking every freaking gem every day is really boring and you cant multitask because you lose gems or etc, is not easy to lvl up a caster and to take it to the top you do really need to Overskill the hell out of him/her in order to shine. is not easy... unlike the others.


2nd: Piercers and Slashers Dwlers need an additional buff too, they are not as good as the crushers or Whips ( of course not) but not that you buffed the skills for 2h weapons.... i need crushers 2h need a slightly buff unlike 2h piercers and Slashers.


3rd: Shield users are getting there in PvP now... not only against casters ( of course) i have been playing with shield and crusher shield and whip not with slasher or not with piercer why? because again... dw/(take 1 weapon out..) slashers and piercers in my opinion need a buff. but please, do something about shield whipper and shield crusher, they are damn freaking strong against you know who haha, in my opinion those 2 need more damage probably but not THAT much of defense..too much.

4th and last

Remember all that i said was ONLY PvP oriented.

[Sanluciferr]

Oh well, i forgot to add that Archers are doing really well on PvP.

[loxemet]

i am with u sanlucifer .

i said caster is not opd why ?

caster can do 3.2k critical ok ?

(1 how much mana needed and luck to have that 3.2k ???
alot
if caster miss he lost 1/3 or 1/2 of his mana means he need to wait and wait
wait even 30-60 second somtime til mana burst + 140 to fill out that 548 mana needed for that hit .
(2 lets say 7 delay its second so at 3 sceond crsuher can make 600 minmum
after 30 second 6000
its so simple what u make it so hard ?
and idont talk about whip user that dooinf 450 each pet and 250 each hand
means 1400 almost each 3 scecond possiblty
*(3 at reflteted shiled lvl 100 the caster r nuttin and we all agree for that !!!!
(4 thats the place to said caster and all other need less delay at stunn when they change
backpack so maybe this will help not make caster so low lvl and real opd means lvl above 90-100 things

so dont cry about caster the naswer of caster is gems and lously skill delftected shild 100% proecet for magic dot

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Honestly speaking, this is retarded bull.

If I was a potential employer looking to hire people, I would go straight for the beast masters since they are all such a hardworking lot.

Seriously people, read what Lordguy and Mangayatay and the other beastmasters on this thread are writing. "Don't punish us because we work hard." Seems to me like these beastmasters are the hardest working people in the game. Forget archers, and non-whipping dual wielders; those bastards just suck because they are lazy. Never mind Ravenskar, (still the best archer in the game even though he quit), who showed just how impossible it is for an archer to compete without resorting to whips; Skar repeatedly mentioned this fact. The bastard was lazy and he was not spending enough money. Even though Mangayatay here still has less xp than Skar did, Mangayatay and Lordguy (don't let me forget Lordguy) work so hard on their toons that they have to buy a new mouse every week. Due to their hard work, their fingers melt right through their mouse.

And Casters......I absolutely love you guys
Especially Klippi.

You bastards have weapons with the highest base damage in the game. The 99 red inferno + the highest level flare up have a base damage that adds up to almost 1k [99 arrow + 99 bow in comparison has a base damage of around 300]. With epics, you bastards will have weapons with 1k + base damage.

The thing that I love most about you guys is your divine ability to proclaim that you suck with a straight face. I mean, if I was double casting someone for 6k and telling them that I suck at the same time, I would burst out laughing. You mofos can do it with tears in your eyes. I just love that. Klippi has a divine ability to do this. Klippi is Zues incarnate.

SO FELLOW ARCHERS AND NON WHIPPING DUEL WIELDERS ---> GIVE IT UP FOR THE BEAST MASTERS; HIP HIP HOORAY FOR MANGAYATAY, LORDGUY AND TRAGICALLYHIP, THE HARDEST WORKING PEOPLE THAT EVER LIVED.

AND ALSO GIVE IT UP FOR KLIPPI, AND EVERY OTHER CASTER OUT THERE. KLIPPI IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WILL EAT YOUR TWIX BAR IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, AND CONVINCE YOU THAT YOUR LITTLE BROTHER WAS THE ONE WHO ATE IT. THREE CHEERS FOR KLIPPI.

[Brookeland]

I think you could only judge who is better if you got class v class @ same str, to judge someone "OP" means he/she has put in alot of effort into his/her toon , i remember when everyone "bitched" about the op'ness of casters, but casters in essence need to go op, a caster can kill any class in nod as can any other class if he/she trains the right skills......so i dont think any "class" is op only individuals that put in the effort.

And i say good on ya, makes for a better game.

[tamik]

i think that everyone already knows that whip users own in pvp caster in pve, thats how it is! casters are much harder/more expensive to build though

[Ranmanar]

I have to say Offensive Casters are - when you go into the arena and your dead before you get a chance to even click on the Autoattack button!!!! That says it all? I know some are going to say that well it is the luck of the draw from the casters pouch - well that is not the case when you have a way of filling your pouch with gems that are designed not to be drawn and forcing the desired gems!!!