Overpowered 3v3 Arena PvP Builds, Vote Here

[Hopilus]

Originally Posted by wiseman

I did vote for DD casters, but another caster version is even more PVP annoying. It's the insane healing. Destruction team is simply unbeatable since Faith went healing instead of dd.

And I hear more capped casters are trying to copy-paste his tactics.


Seems to me that soon we will be loosing our nerves over OPed healing, not DD casting

Either way, staff users.

As for this, kudos to Faith for utilizing his class bonus. Even if other caster's went healing, unless they have an innate healing bonus, it won't really help them that much. Faith and Elvira, only 2 high end priests I can think of. Myself, Neo, Stella and Ives, only high end angels I can think of.
So what if it's "annoying" that he is utilizing his class bonus? and so what if others plan to "copy-paste" his tactics....as I personally told faith after his team beat us and it took a few for us to figure out why, sometimes, you have to fight fire, with fire. and yet again, great job Faith in proving healers are worth their salt. Thank you.

[flipynifty]

I suggest that when an angel resserects someone mid combat they sacrafice their own lives.

Ressing a fallen ally to half health without a cost to the caster just doesn't make sense and is extremely OP for a class ability.

Please no more nerfing, fix other classes more even instead, besides getn a good bm build is not easy its damn expencive and takes allong time. Ppl shouldent get punished when they work hard 2 get a better build.

Glitch, its obvious that DD casters and Whippers will be voted as top 2. Why give us only one vote?

I personally voted whip/shield.

Protection is playing way too much of a role in pvp and high-end boss solos. Offensive capabilities need a buff. I'm talking about ways to get past those blocks/growls/resist/parry/dual parry/miss/kite/prevents. You've even encouraged casters to go defensive with that angelic aura. If you stack those skills with a potion of stone, some fights will really last forever.


Its insane once the tanks level those skills up with the only counter-measures being a rabid aura and strikethrough skill(which isn't enough!). We need an offensive BUFF.

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by Bigfeet

Please no more nerfing, fix other classes more even instead, besides getn a good bm build is not easy its damn expencive and takes allong time. Ppl shouldent get punished when they work hard 2 get a better build.

Thank you

Any nerf to whips and the BM class is about useless too.

[flipynifty]

I would suggest that strikethrough go through growl, as wel as fire and ice chances increased for non whip users.

Instead of worrying about OP pvp builds, how about doing something like:

--Give us a skill to replace the Escape Artist skill. (still mad I lost 50+ points in this and have YET to have a skill replace it)

--Work on clan territory/dominance patch

--Tweak xp gains on artistry/crafting skills.

--Fix Arena.

--Make the Language skill actually DO something

--Allow potion makers to benefit from the crafting rune and let them make potions over their level like crafters can.

Just some suggestions

ANY CLASS CAN BE OP WITH ENOUGH TIME/EFFORT, so what's the point of this thread? At cap, it's all about how much time/effort is put into extra skills that make a build OP IMO. Granted, there are some classes that are just lawl, but if you have a brain you get my drift.

And I totally agree with bigfeet. BM users have SO MUCH to level, that if you do actually come across an OP BM, it's only because they've put in serious time/energy/money to leveling up all those skills. You can't just level pets/whips and BOOM, your an OP BM. Virtually every petmanship skill is necessary for a good capped BM build, as well as multiple Weaponry skills as well as Defensive skills.

BM OP?? Maybe they can get there, but you have to WORK at it. Don't nerf that even more, let the BM's have their powerful toons if they commit to the long haul to make it that way.

[Evilfox]

DD casters by far, although I think its unfair to other classes that they can kill in pve in less then 10 secs

[Hopilus]

i havent killed in less then 10 secs on mobs above my level...may just be i suck at pve...my record is still 15 secs, on average though, 20 to 25 depending on gem draws. <3 you foxie

these threads are funny. if u look back at the previous ones its all the same crap.

blah blah blah...ive spent so much time building my _________ (fill in blank) build. Please dont nerf it or ill quit nod. Waaaaaaa. These are the same people that were complaining about the last patch like this that came out. Nobody told u to keep switching builds to whatever the new "glass cannon" build is. why not just pick one and stay with it?

Tbh warriors dwing whips is ghey imo. please change most of these pet skills to BM's only and allow warriors to be warriors again.

Sounds like his ultimate goal is to get as close to evening out all char builds as possilbe. Typically when a buff comes out instead of catching up with other builds it surpasses them. Other times its just not enough to get people to want to switch over to it.

There should always be a good counter to every build. like a shield wielder is to a caster. I asked someone whats a good counter to a whipper and they said a better whipper. I don't like that answer.

[Sanluciferr]

DD casters are the worst class in PvP unless is a group fight k? get that fact straight. They need of a Tank to taunt for them since they still lack on defense even though they have angelic.

Resistances dont cost anything during fight, DDs cost a lot of mana/energy and the opponent have the ability to throw that back at you almost free of cost and the caster still lose all that mana/energy (which is not infinite).

Dw Whips have a lot of skills and they dont need energy or mana so they can stay with the same % of doing a fight equal unlike casters that they have a lot of ways of losing all energy and mana and especially in 3vs3 now.

Whip/Shield is my biggest enemy and even they with low skills around 60-70s ( mines around 90) can do way better than me and they can play more "cards" they take out shield and Dw when im getting low so Deathblow kicks in or vengance sometimes or they switch to crushers to do more damage and stun, etc.

Casters can show up fight only in 1 way and if they decided to change they get a 30seconds delay whih i like , in order to prevent others to use a staff too but... the others should get more penalties to switching too. 5seconds vs 30seconds = u know it.

[Nemesiss]

hmm ok, i think things are pretty balanced atm.. dd casters are a good bit from op, the 3k+ crits can only come from lvl 99 gems which is 19 lvls over our current lvl so if they didnt do a ton of damage it would be retarded. but with all the things we are given to stop casters even r20 gems are sometimes not enough. a caster with gems at our lvl has a small chance of actually winning a duel against a good opponent. only complaint is the AoE gems that i think do to much damage to be able to attack all enemys... bm's was rediculously op till rabid aura and the lovely patch to make mes/stun effect pets. i still think strikethrough should effect growl but other than that they are beatable now, but still very strong. pet damage can get a bit rediculous but overall are fine i think. archers are fine where they are at, which i would say is somewhere in the middle.. shield users be it with whip or not are a bitch to kill but still beatable, a bit to strong with the deflects against casters/archers.. pure non whips dwers i think are fine as is but perhaps a skill for a chance to attack all enemys.. and healers, which i voted for are crazy, talking only about arena since i have yet to 1v1 a caster fully dedicated to just healing. 3 melee users attacking 1 tank can barely get the tank under full hp from being healed from just 1 healer cough'faith'cough. cant really say that its op since no 1v1, atm would say its just good set up and build, i just wanna be able to kill em

[Arach1]

Normal shield users haz 0% votes ahahaa #rerolls

[Arach1]

I mean... healers are OP, cause in this game survivability is winning over damage

[Raith]

Originally Posted by Nautolan

ANY CLASS CAN BE OP WITH ENOUGH TIME/EFFORT.

OK. Please make an OP Regenner or Ranger, k?

It's funny to notice that most of the people who claim things are balanced all either use a staff, whips, or 89 crushers. How convenient. But in general, I appreciate that there have been moves to balance things. I feel like 3v3 PvP and 1v1 PvP are different questions, so I'm not sure which this poll is supposed to mean. I'd give different answers, tbh. I would never say, for instance, that a healer or a DD caster is most OP 1v1, but in 3v3 it's totally different.

I will say that I feel like the high-damage long-delay class abilities have taken a bit of a hit thanks to the tempers, and I think some of the classes that were given strong CA's to counter weak CS/CE could use some revisting because of this.

[hotshot64]

I refuse to hit auto when i come against a group in arena that has an angel. It's purely a waste of my time to pound one of the players into oblivion only to watch him come back and kill me anyway. That's why i say healers are op.

[Hopilus]

Actually, I have a char that is indeed a ranger (archer) in an arena group with another archer, and out of the 60 battles we fought (most of them being againt other lvls 80s) we have only lost about 10 or so fights. In my opinion, that char was extremely well built, then again, the char has over 13b xp so that could have something to do with it. I will agree that as a regener alone the class is not so great.
However, I think what some of us have forgotten (myself included) is this is not so much a thread about which specific class or class ability is OP or not, but more along the lines of the BUILD of said classes. Hence, the poll...

[flipynifty]

lmao your replies are hilarious

I have yet to find a OP adventurer who boxes. please make one narutolan! Show us how its done!

[Raith]

Only other thing I'd have to add is that the "Pure DW" Category encompasses too many things. DW crush, DW slash, and DW pierce are not equal at all. One could argue that DW 89 crushers are a bit OP, but nobody would saw DW 81's or DW pierce (any) is. It's a bit like grouping DD's and DoT's and Healers together into one big "staves" category.