Kalkong Banned - PW & Valuables Theft Awareness.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Malc

Relic has mentioned twice that Seletchi's bot is a keylogger. Where is your proof Relic? I am, by nature, a curious fellow. So when Relic said this, I decided to download Sel's bot, decompile it, and check for myself. I've gone over 6288 lines of code, and nowhere do I see anything relating to a keylogger. I do see several places where, if I were to write my own bot, I'd certainly improve upon his methods. Lot of inefficient code, lot of places where it could be made more...human-like.

At any rate, I don't bot, and I don't condone cheaters. However, I also don't condone falsehoods such as telling everyone it's a keylogger when it isn't. Security by Obscurity is No Security At All.

LIES!



P.s.

As mentioned before, it appears most people who bot, bot to travel from town to town. Perhaps an alternative can be created for Adventuring experience.

Another comment is about macros. Pasterqb mentioned something about auto-loot macros. SmashBros also mentioned macros as being ok. Really? Because there is no real difference between a macro and a bot. Both provide a shortcut to an end result. Both reduce the clicking and interaction necessary between the player and the game. So I submit if you use a macro, no matter how small, you are botting.

firstly:

just because there is no code of a keylogger doesnt mean there isnt 1. how do you know that when you download the program your not also downloading some spyware that has a built in keylogger??

not saying thats the case, but just because YOU couldnt find it doesnt mean it isnt there.

also glitchless has posted before that a macro (def: replacing mouse clicks with buttons) is fine as there is still user interaction with the game, where as botting means it is all automated and i can walk away and let it all bot on its own.

And also i would like to add to smashbros' response,

Have you seen seletchi's videos, everyone of them when people ask why he goes pk, he says this player was botting.

I look at code all day long. It's what I do. C++ mostly, followed by C#/aspx, and then some various scripting languages. So I think I know what I'm looking at. As to downloading a trojan with it? Nope, not the case. I have several tools to make sure I avoid such things. And regardless, it was a clean link. So. Nothing piggy-backing it. Nothing in it. Plain and simple. If there were, I would have found it. And I wouldn't have posted to the contrary here either. Does this mean people should use it? No. In fact, I would say that using it would get you caught if Admin were looking at you, fairly quickly. But does it do something else devious and malicious? No.

Originally Posted by Phantomic

And also i would like to add to smashbros' response,

Have you seen seletchi's videos, everyone of them when people ask why he goes pk, he says this player was botting.

Umm, so what? Lots of people on here say they have submitted a list to Nod about people they think/know are botting. Are they also getting feedback from some keylogger or mysterious thing?

Seletchi's program doesn't do anything about logging in the character, and doesn't record keystrokes, period. It assumes, actually, that you already have a window open with your character logged in. It does a lot with Mouse movements (obviously), screen capture, graphics comparison, stuff like that. And a whole lot of inefficient handling of how to move loot around or travel between towns. -NOTHING- that attempts to send information to a site, anywhere.

I will say this. The tool he used to create it (and no, he didn't just program this in c++ or something) embeds into its binaries a lot of information dealing with whether or not it has permission to run, etc on the OS. Makes a lot of calls to advapi.dll, which is a Windows dll for Security settings, etc. But that's just part of any program created with this particular tool. Could be a scanner thinks that's a bad program, but it's misleading.

Ok Malc, answer me this:

Why is it that the botters who have recently downloaded Seletchi's link, and run it, have gone PK by Seletchi.

Am I to assume this is all a big conspiracy and that this whole thing was set up by Seletchi?

I am curious as to what your answer will be.

[Conqueror]

Seems to me that Malc knows what he is talking about.

The official Glitchless position is that the accounts were all compromised due to crappy passwords. Not because they were botting.

Here is what Glitchless said:

"In the past several days a handful of characters have had their accounts compromised. All of these players were foolish enough to be using their accout name as their password."

[thatperson]

that was the most recent account thefts....arra and some lvl 80 i cant remember tried to bot and got their account stolen...glitchless also said that

[Smashbros]

id lmao if seletchi had coded it to go PK on running the bot lol.

Malc is right. Not just him, but I have asked people to read the code when Glitchless first claim that the bot is key logger. After a week, those experts reply on the forums telling me the site + the program contains no trojan/virus/keylogger. They, however, said that Seletchi's bot has many redundant coding > suggesting that Sel is not pro at it.

Malc, the software behind Seletchi's bot is called AUTOIT. A simpler programming software that is used in most Pixel programming.

I don't bot, but I also like to dig around when someone is being accused. When I finally got the reply, this thread has died already, so I left it as is. The testing was done on Seletchi's version 1.209 by the way. So I do not guarantee his later version will contain malicious coding.

Those people that went on PK spree probably gave out their account info, sign up to some forums with the same ID and pw, got a weak pw, got keylogged when they visit 18ForU.com, got family issue > berserk mode, got drunk > do it and then cry about it, etc...

The people that botted got banned, RIP to them and RIP to this thread pls.

Thanks, Athene. Sherman, do I really need to argue this any further? How or why some accounts went PK is beyond me. Maybe they did get keylogged, in any of the methods Athene described. but not from Seletchi's bot. I also was looking at V1.209. And yes, I know it was writen in AutoIT. There is also a .dll included, imagesearch.dll, but that's from AutoHotKey. I didn't bother disassembling that.

At any rate, I don't really care if people who botted got keylogged and forced into PK. Live and Learn. I just don't like seeing falsities spread.

Athene and Malc,if you were a lvl 80 in game,someone would know you all and you would have a name on forum too,you both have like not even 20 posts together,should we all assume your just accounts made by Seletchi? I think yes

Seletchi nobodys gonna dowload your bott unless they r stupid fuks,piss off

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Neo

Athene and Malc,if you were a lvl 80 in game,someone would know you all and you would have a name on forum too,you both have like not even 20 posts together,should we all assume your just accounts made by Seletchi? I think yes

Seletchi nobodys gonna dowload your bott unless they r stupid fuks,piss off

Exactly. Anyone who comes on forums defending a botter and claiming that the bot has "clean, virus/trojan free coding" has a little more than that on their agenda.

I wasn't going to respond to Neo...unoriginal name, making assumptions with little information. But I will respond to Relic.

I might normally be quiet, not have a lot to say, whatever. Doesn't mean I am 'new'. I choose not to comment on a lot of the posts because I find them...lacking. I chose to comment on this post because I've been a game Admin on MUDs in the past. I know quite a bit about running an online site, and I know a lot about people trying to hack their way into the game, or hack people's accounts, or setting up automated scripts to work their way through areas. If a flaw exists, fix it. If it's possible for a person to bot, then make it impossible, or not worth it. But don't throw out a LIE in hopes that people will be too afraid to abuse it. That's the worse kind of "cover-up".

So yeah, I spoke out on this one. Is it because I want to defend Seletchi? Not really. I found most of what he had to say immature and stupid. Is it because I want people to download his bot and use it? No. As I stated in my original post, it's lacking in quality, and someone using it is sure to get caught. I don't have an agenda, really. Just saw something that clicked with what I've had to deal with in the past myself and responded.

I think Jeff has enough resources and logs at his disposal to tell that I am not Athene nor Seletchi nor anyone else. I joined the game July '09, so I am newer than you, perhaps, but it doesn't make me any less of a player.

I touch myself at night when I think of Seletchi...