ignore/embargo zanthyr

[tamik]

earlier today i spoke with a player about selling me a TC, he was willing to sell it for 145k but his ah TC price was 150k because otherwise player Zanthyr would buy it and resell

i want to point out that TC price will rise at higher rate until we get rid of all resellers

if you agree please ignore and embargo player Zanthyr

if you agree with this please relay this message to your clans and friends

resellers.
Zanthyr is not the main acct -- I don't recall whose alt it is.

Lol welcome to capitalism,

personally i think timecards should be higher than they are selling for now, and i predict a substantial rise in the future, as more characters reach higher level, and there is more money in the economy as a result.

TC's are, and always will be the only true hard currency in nod...unless jeff implements some other form of real money purchases that are tradeable.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

IT ISN'T ONLY THE RESELLERS RAISING THE FRICKING PRICES ON TCs!!!!!

Zanthyr is actually generally less than the other ****tards on the AH.

You want to keep TCs low?

Ban the ****tards who purchase those 160k+ TCs, the ****tards who put TCs up there for that much, and ban the ****tards like you who think it's just the resellers.

/doesnt agree

/also doesn't agree with the embargo

[God Stomper]

I can't believe I'm typing this... but I agree with Sherman.

If everyone refuses to pay more than 140k or whatever, then the tc's will stay at 140k. But Zanthyr sells tc's for the price he puts them up there for, so he keeps them there.

However, I hate resellers in general, so I have him iggied anyway, but if you're going to go to extreme, I can tell you he's an alt of someone, and that someone is more than likely in Chaos or Nike, so why not just iggy/embargo everyone in Nike and Chaos? Then be sure to iggy/embargo all of his friends too.

Looks like it sucks to only have 100 iggy slots.

[God Stomper]

Originally Posted by Nomicon

personally i think timecards should be higher than they are selling for now

Go fuck yourself.

Yay for forum ban!

Tamik, isn't Lithuania the West Virgina of Europe?

Like it or not, Nod is a free market where the players set the prices, and not the game itself. Zanthyr is playing within the rules by reselling, and others are within the rules by ignoring or embargoing him. But TC prices are not going up because of Zanthyr or any other reseller. TC prices have gone up because gold is created out of nothing every day. But I can tell you when TC prices will come down. It's the day you can walk down the street of your city or town and find real money lying on the ground on every street corner like it is in Nod.

If you sell something at a very low price, don't complain if a reseller buys it and tries to resell it. If you didn't want to sell it, you shouldn't have listed it in the auction house. And when you want to buy something, are you going to pay more if a reseller has the lowest price on a TC or anything else?

You can start selling TCs for 100K tomorrow, and people will gobble them up, and no matter whether they are buying them for resale or for personal use, once you are sold out, the TC price will go right back up to wherever the free market says they should be.

The fact is that a level 80 can easily make 100K+ a day if he sells his trophies, and if he wants to play for free without using real world money, he will pay 140K, 150K, 170K or whatever it takes to buy a TC. Are you going to blame the level 80 for inflating the TC price? Are you going to blame the people who buy the trophies from the level 80? There is too much gold chasing after TCs and I don't think that will ever change. It's unfortunate for the N who is saving up for his first TC, and the price keeps drifting out of reach, but that's what happens when you want to play for free.

But if TC prices go much higher, more people will be willing to spend US$5 (4.50 with a quantity discount) and convert it to Nod gold if they need to buy epic armor, rune power for their clan, or whatever. Conversely, if TC prices were to go a lot lower, people would stop selling them at low prices, and burn them for rested time. So the market will self-correct to some extent, but as long as Nod gold is created out of thin air, TC prices will tend to rise. If you don't believe that, then Google "Weimar Germany inflation."

BTW, I do not believe Zanthyr is an alt, or the devil incarnate, much less the cause of high TC prices. You can embargo everyone in the game for all I care; you will just be cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

[zenga]

lol yeah ban ignore him, will be to no avail, just make a new toon, put 1 tc on it and keep reselling

[launcelot]

Tc's will continue to raise to a certain point. The highest that they will go is determined as how much the average player can make with one tc and still beable to buy one to replace the one they burnt. The only way to keep it lower is to refuse to buy tc's above a certain price. If everyone does that and the people cant sell then the price will slowly be brought back down. Right now the price is fairly stable at 150-160k with zanthyr selling at 155k. Before it was raised it was stable at 145k. The only way to keep it at a price is to not buy when they are raised and the sellers will finally go lower.

[zenga]

Originally Posted by launcelot

Tc's will continue to raise to a certain point. The highest that they will go is determined as how much the average player can make with one tc and still beable to buy one to replace the one they burnt. The only way to keep it lower is to refuse to buy tc's above a certain price. If everyone does that and the people cant sell then the price will slowly be brought back down. Right now the price is fairly stable at 150-160k with zanthyr selling at 155k. Before it was raised it was stable at 145k. The only way to keep it at a price is to not buy when they are raised and the sellers will finally go lower.

You are correct by accident. Because you have to make a difference between tc's bought for burning RT, for standard, for upgrades and for alts. If one only buy's 6 tc's a month for premium on a couple of toons, then he can affort a 3-400k tc price.

I the price reaches a point where crafting trophies becomes cheaper than burning tc's and farm them, then it has reached the limit. That is valid for the top players, not the average player imo (like you said). Anyway, i hear this tc story for 1,5 year, and seems it's still rising.

[Conqueror]

I know that what I am about to say is an unpopular point of view.
But I have said it before and I will say it again.

Zanthyr stabilizes the price of tc's.

As proof: here is a picture of what happens when Zanthyr is not logged on.


You can see the clueless person in civil chat advertising his timecard for 160k (thinking that he is offering everybody else a bargain). I have seen timecards go up to 200k when Zanthyr was not on.

When Zanthyr puts up a billion timecards on the auction house for 155k, the next person that comes in goes for a lower price in order to sell their timecard. Without Zanthyr, you can see what happens in the picture above.

Timecards are a limited resource, and the person who is willing to pay the most for them will get them [the demand is much greater than the supply]. This is horrible for free accounts and low level players, but since when did a free market become altruistic in nature.

If you want to blame someone for the prices Tamik, blame yourself. If you and people like you were not willing to pay 150k for a timecard, then prices would not be this high. If nobody bought timecards for more than 120k, then the prices would hover around 120k.

Originally Posted by God Stomper

Go ****yourself.

Yay for forum ban!

Well Nomicon is right God Stomper. Prices will continue to increase as the demand for time cards increases and the supply remains steady. Those who are willing to pay the most for timecards will set the prices and get the timecards.


If anything Zanthyr tried to lower the price of timecards and I commend him for that. He dropped his timecards from 160k to 155k and then to 152.5k. At 152.5k these people started buying his timecards like wildfire so he was forced to raise the prices again.

You want to lower the price Tamik, stop buying tc's above a certain price and get enough people to stop buying them as well. Feel free to ignore Zanthyr as much as you want, but it will not accomplish anything. It is useless and stupid in my opinion. He doesn't set the prices --- You do by what you are willing to pay.

[tamik]

i dont think that zanthyr is the cause of all evil in the world, i just want to deal with tc resellers as a first step to make nod a better place

apparently jeff doesnt care so im trying to be a little more initiative

i agree with the fact that tc price will rise even without any resellers and that why i said "tc prices will rise AT HIGHER RATE"

i also understand that that 'i dont care' approach is easier way out of the problem

finally i really want to have this 'zanthyr is actually good for stabilizing tc market' properly explained by someone

Zanthyr is a POS and so is every other reseller in the game. PERIOD.
they ARE to blame if they did not resell tc's then the price WOULD be lower. People WOULD find better deals. lvl 80's WOULD be happy they are paying less gold. MORE people WOULD be willing to sell TC's in AH not fearing resellers are gonna try and resell them. The #1 reason you dont see as many in ah IS becuase of Zanthyr and other resellers. I wish him/her and all other tc's resellers burn in a firey car crash.

Get my point yet?

every time someone brings up tc reselling some little smartalec thinks he can just come into the forums and say "haha thats capitalism..." well eat poo poo's face. (trying to be civil..lol) Its called evilism. it's jerks and A*holes that dont care about anyone else but themself. greedy basterds that deserve something bad to happen to them.

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by richp

Zanthyr is a POS and so is every other reseller in the game. PERIOD.
they ARE to blame if they did not resell tc's then the price WOULD be lower. People WOULD find better deals. lvl 80's WOULD be happy they are paying less gold. MORE people WOULD be willing to sell TC's in AH not fearing resellers are gonna try and resell them. The #1 reason you dont see as many in ah IS becuase of Zanthyr and other resellers. I wish him/her and all other tc's resellers burn in a firey car crash.

Get my point yet?

every time someone brings up tc reselling some little smartalec thinks he can just come into the forums and say "haha thats capitalism..." well eat poo poo's face. (trying to be civil..lol) Its called evilism. it's jerks and A*holes that dont care about anyone else but themself. greedy basterds that deserve something bad to happen to them.

Yes. I am the "little smartalec [who] thinks he can just come into the forums and say 'haha thats capitalism..."

But I will try and be sensitive to your plight now.

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Originally Posted by richp

Its called evilism. it's jerks and A*holes that dont care about anyone else but themself. greedy basterds that deserve something bad to happen to them.

*sigh*

ECON 101
It has been this way since the dawn of time.
The seller's objective: to get the most he can from selling his product.
The buyer's objective: to save the most money while getting the product.

The seller is never trying to help the customer, or care about anybody else. To think that this is the case is naive at best. The seller's goal is to make the most money that he can on his product.

Thus, Zanthyr is not the greedy seller. You are the greedy buyer. People like you are the "jerks and A*holes that don't care about anyone else but themself," to use your own language against you. You are the "greedy basterd" that wants Zanthyr to lower his price, so that your own selfish buyer's objective can be satisfied.

It is the buyer who sets the price in Nodiatis for the limited resource that is the timecard. As long as you or people like you who pay 150k in order to burn a timecard for rrt, without a second thought exist, the prices will continue to increase. All the while your selfish behind will be looking for people like Zanthyr to blame and cover for your own selfishness.

Go on: if you are so concerned about the low level N who can not buy any timecards, stop buying tc's at 150k. Why don't you? I say this to all the high level players who are complaining here, who burn timecards without a second thought --- if you are so altruistic and have the best interest of the poor at heart, why don't you frigging stop burning timecards for 150k+.

Albert Einstein said:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

This thread is an example of "human stupidity."

[thatperson]

not all sellers of TCs strive to get 150k from them its only the select few who sell on the AH and most of them are resellers...i personally sell for 120-130k usually in chat and only when i really need gold do i sell for 140k resellers buy all the "cheap" (it hurts me to say that considering the price) timecards and put them up for 150k i dont see best buy going to walmart cause they are charging lower buying all of their TVs and putting them up for sell in their stores

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Spend your own 5 bucks on tcs and STFU.

[Gurnison]

I missed out on the cheap TCs for 5-6K. The first one I bought was 12K and I didn't like paying that much. Then they started getting REALLY expensive. The next two I bought were at 15K and 18K.

That was about the time Jeff said he calculated TCs would sell for around 20K. Everyone was like OMG TWENTY K FOR A TC, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS!

I'm not sure when I first heard talk about boycotting high priced TCs, but it was probably around that same time.

But don't forget the demand side of supply and demand. When there are people buying 100s of TCs, that drives the price as much or more than any resellers do.