ignore/embargo zanthyr

[thatperson]

why would i go back under my rock? trolling is fun

Originally Posted by richp

Zanthyr stablizing tc's prices was a myth. He jacked the prices up like 30k by reselling them. if he let the prices raise progressively like thay have been they would be at the same price they are now.

What are you talking about?

As long as he was selling TCs, they stayed at a consistent 155k, for cheap TCs.

When he STOPPED selling TCs, they started to rise as there was very few people willing to challenged to high priced ones.

Reselling TCs is made out to be bad in this game, but you know what? Who gives a flying **** not all resellers are bad.

Your ignorance of how they operate makes you about as smart as some ghetto gang banger.

You might as well start believing all black people are stupid, all Americans are fat/ugly/stupid, all Frenchies don't shave/are h0m0s, same with Canadians etc...

When you can understand that there is an actual difference between the usual resellers that jack prices WAY UP, and Zanthyr who puts the prices up slightly above normal, you might learn something...instead of shoving that **** farther up your ***.

Zanthyr's reselling shows that if anyone is willing to put forth hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on TCs, he can bend the TC market to his will.

I've had one encounter with Zanthyr. I was in the market for the level 25 epic leggings, and asked for them in chat. I had never met Zanthyr or had anything to do with him before, when out of the blue he writes me something like "Well, I'd sell you those leggings, but you sell tier 1 ingots for too much, so I hope you have a lot of trouble finding them."

btw, I didn't, got them within 24 hours at my price.

The point is, he likes to make a LOT of gold at the 100K level, yet complains about the lower level characters making a profit on the stuff he needs to make 100K's of gold.

Hey, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If he doesn't want to buy my ingots, he doesn't have to. He can buy them from someone else, make them himself, whatever. People buy my ingots at the price I set because they need them to make stuff THEY make a profit on, and it is fair for the 'little guy' to get some of the action! People also buy my ingots becuase often I seem to be the only one selling them.

I thought it funny he claimed that *I* was driving the price of the things he makes higher, at which point I pointed out that he was selling ZC's at 120K each when four others were selling them at the 100K or less level... sound like someone 'concerned' about keeping AH prices low to you?

Zanthyr doesn't want to 'waste' his time making these ingots himself, nor can he find anyone willing to sell them to him for less... so his 'out of the blue' belligerent comment just show how self-centered his is about the market. How dare *I* make a profit at the 100 gold level selling him materials he needs to make a profit at the 100K gold level.

Didn't know others had problems with his attitude till saw this thread, so I thought I'd share.

BTW, I took screen shots of my conversation with him, which I'd never done before nor done since with anyone else, that's how rude I felt he was. If challenged, I can produce it verbatim...

Originally Posted by Peteroid

I've had one encounter with Zanthyr. I was in the market for the level 25 epic leggings, and asked for them in chat. I had never met Zanthyr or had anything to do with him before, when out of the blue he writes me something like "Well, I'd sell you those leggings, but you sell tier 1 ingots for too much, so I hope you have a lot of trouble finding them."

btw, I didn't, got them within 24 hours at my price.

The point is, he likes to make a LOT of gold at the 100K level, yet complains about the lower level characters making a profit on the stuff he needs to make 100K's of gold.

Hey, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. If he doesn't want to buy my ingots, he doesn't have to. He can buy them from someone else, make them himself, whatever. People buy my ingots at the price I set because they need them to make stuff THEY make a profit on, and it is fair for the 'little guy' to get some of the action! People also buy my ingots becuase often I seem to be the only one selling them.

I thought it funny he claimed that *I* was driving the price of the things he makes higher, at which point I pointed out that he was selling ZC's at 120K each when four others were selling them at the 100K or less level... sound like someone 'concerned' about keeping AH prices low to you?

Zanthyr doesn't want to 'waste' his time making these ingots himself, nor can he find anyone willing to sell them to him for less... so his 'out of the blue' belligerent comment just show how self-centered his is about the market. How dare *I* make a profit at the 100 gold level selling him materials he needs to make a profit at the 100K gold level.

Didn't know others had problems with his attitude till saw this thread, so I thought I'd share.

BTW, I took screen shots of my conversation with him, which I'd never done before nor done since with anyone else, that's how rude I felt he was. If challenged, I can produce it verbatim...

How much WERE you charging for tier 1 ingots?

Generally, Zanthyr understands the market better than most and can point out overpriced goods.

I've seen tier 1 goods go for 100+ gold and THAT is too much for a mere tier 1 ingot, or any resource.

So, I suggest you quit being a pretentious little ****, assuming YOUR price is NOT overpriced.

In essence, STFU.

[Conqueror]

When I say Zanthyr was stabilizing the prices, I wasn't speaking in his defense. Frankly speaking, I could care less if the man is a noodle headed douche nozzle and he may very well be. I simply meant this: at a time when tc's were selling for 160k or more, the man was putting such a crap load of tc's up for 155k that the prices were being maintained at around 150 - 155k. Whenever he was not online, the prices of tc's jumped up. I know someone who sold 10 tc's for 160k within 5 mins when Zanthyr was not logged on. And clearly, as you can see, the prices have jumped up to 170k since Zanthyr stopped putting up his tc's. This would have happened of its own accord eventually, but Zanthyr slowed down the inevitable to a certain degree. That, in essence, is my contention.

To Peteroid: I side with you when I say this: no one has a right to tell you how high you can price your item. That's your call. I don't walk into Walmart and start whining about their prices on lets say red bull and fluffy pancakes. I either buy the item or I don't. Simple as that. Even if you put your ingot on the auction house for 25 million, he didn't have a right to insult you for it. He didn't have to buy it; he didn't have to sell you his 25 leggings if he didn't want to; but he shouldn't have insulted you (if that is what he did).

I originally spoke in this thread to support Zanthyr's right to sell his own property at whatever price he chose to do so.

Now I am supporting your right to do the same.

Anyways, the stabilizing thing was a simple observation that I made. I don't think of Zanthyr as the big regulator of the market that is something akin to the Feds in the real world.

Can we stop talking about Zanthyr now plox

Cheers

[flipynifty]

Poopoo originally upped teh tc prices, then zan upped them again, but they remained somewhat around where he put them, now they are up 10-15k again... who cares really, $5 is cheaper these days, they just drop the value of gold bigtime.

like sherman and others have forgetten....tc prices were much lower when the jerk started reselling them. LIke i said before he didnt do anything to "Stablize the market" its all in your head.

tc prices before jew reseller = 120k each
tc prices after jew reseller started reselling tc's = 155k
all that took place in a very short period of time. if he didnt resell tc's the same progression would of happened it just would of been over a greater period of time. So these idiots continuallly think he did some great miracle to the nod economy because during the "time" he was reselling them the prices stayed the same. this thread should be burned and erased.

and i wish people would stop comparing an online game economy to IRL economy. even though you may see some similarities they are NOT THE SAME F"ING THING!!!!!

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by richp

and i wish people would stop comparing an online game economy to IRL economy. even though you may see some similarities they are NOT THE SAME F"ING THING!!!!!

And it is my contention that they are.

According to one source, an economy is defined as a group of "activities related to the production and distribution of goods and services in a particular geographic region."

In Nodiatis, there are producers:
these people go about obtaining, making and providing goods (such as tc's or resources) and services (such as boss kills and player leveling)

In Nodiatis, there are consumers:
these people buy the goods and services that are available

Nodiatis has a market:
The Auction house and the ability to trade provide people with a method to exchange goods and services

Nodiatis has a medium of exchange:
Gold

Region where all of this goes on
Nodiatis

The principles that govern this economic system are the same. The Nodiatis economy does not operate under different rules in a vacuum. It operates under the same rules and principles and is, in essence, a part of the so called "real life" economy.

Originally Posted by Conqueror

And it is my contention that they are.

According to one source, an economy is defined as a group of "activities related to the production and distribution of goods and services in a particular geographic region."

In Nodiatis, there are producers:
these people go about obtaining, making and providing goods (such as tc's or resources) and services (such as boss kills and player leveling)

In Nodiatis, there are consumers:
these people buy the goods and services that are available

Nodiatis has a market:
The Auction house and the ability to trade provide people with a method to exchange goods and services

Nodiatis has a medium of exchange:
Gold

Region where all of this goes on
Nodiatis

The principles that govern this economic system are the same. The Nodiatis economy does not operate under different rules in a vacuum. It operates under the same rules and principles and is, in essence, a part of the so called "real life" economy.

Except that there is no regulation of inflation, it is an exponential thing, which causes TC prices, and others, to consistently rise.

[Thomas Jordan]

What causes TC prices to rise is the game is the same thing that causes inflation in the real world - too much game gold chasing too few resources. As others have pointed out, a high level player can raise a very lot of game gold pretty quickly selling high level trophies. Any paid player can raise a decent amount of game gold selling resources (potions created a new market for bones, dyes and cloth). The sellers of those resources and trophies find themselves with lots of game gold, and decide to use that to buy TCs instead of spending $5 US. That's fine, I have no problem with that. It drives up demand for TCs, and there isn't a corresponding increase in the number of people purchasing TCs for $5 US to sell to raise game gold. If anything, the supply seems to be slightly decreasing based on my perception of gradually declining daily bliss.

So, more and more demand for TCs using game gold, and fewer and fewer TCs for sale, means the buyers are bidding up the price. The first chat message I saw this morning when I logged in was "Looking to buy TC for 175k." That's from the buyer, not the seller. If I had chosen to sell the TC I purchased today for $5 US, my asking price would have been 175k game gold, since I know at least one player will pay that. Unless I was desparate to raise game gold (and I can also sell trophies and resources to raise game gold), I'd be foolish now to sell for less than 175k. Some buyer bid it up to that.

[Olvan]

True but then the buyer could have also been a plant by someone that was looking to sell their TC's at a starting price of 175k. I am sure thats not possible here in the good ole land of Nod though

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by Olvan

True but then the buyer could have also been a plant by someone that was looking to sell their TC's at a starting price of 175k. I am sure thats not possible here in the good ole land of Nod though

Use your noodle.

Whether he was a plant or not is irrelevant:

Even if the said "plant" was offering to give 175k in gold for the tc, the price would still come down if the average Joe was not willing to shell out 175k for the tc. After a while, the plant would realize that his ruse is not working, that no one is willing to shell out 175k for a tc, and that he will have to lower prices in order to sell his goods.

The reason that the prices are going up is because the customer is willing to shell out 175k for the tc.

I could make a plant and advertise in chat that I am purchasing tc's for 25 million. However, no amount of planting will drive up tc prices to 25 million. This example might seem a bit far fetched but the principle is the same. The only difference is that it is possible to say with some certainty that no one with a semi-working noodle will purchase a tc for 25 million in gold while someone with a semi-working noodle might buy a tc for 200k.

Some of you people are thick headed.



@ TJ: I agree 100%. There is too much gold floating around. In essence gold is decreasing in value because it is everywhere and hence more of it is needed to buy the limited good that is the tc.



And then there is the poor "N" who can't seem to make ends meet:

the fact is this: the same people would be buying the majority of the tc's, whether they were worth 50k or 200k --- the higher level players with the most gold to spare. In fact, higher level players would be buying more tc's if they were worth 50k, making it even harder for the poor "N" to acquire one. It is stupid to even bring up the poor N. When people grumble about higher prices they do so because they now have to spend more gold in order to satisfy their own tc fixation. They don't give a crap about the poor "N," no matter how ardently they proclaim their charitable intentions.

Hate it or love it: the "N" was screwed a long time ago. Nobody cares about his/her poor retched soul now. He/she has just become an excuse that people can use in order to moan and whine.

I still remember my utter astonishment when I first saw the 50k gold requirement that is necessary in order to start a clan. 50k seemed like an amount that was beyond possible at that time.

Now 50k is pocket change that I toss to my neighborhood hobo --- courtesy of yours truly

TCs are way too cheap imo. New players are taken advantage of by old timers.