Downhill from here

[Jadakris]

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

Yea like thatperson said Nod last 66% of its individual players. MEANING Jeff lost 66% of his income pretty much. For example (not saying Jeff makes this) Lets say Jeff was makeing 100k a year according to this chart he is now only making 33k a year. And you are shrugging it off like it is no big deal. The average salary in the US right now is like 48k a year i think. So that means if he is making average salary that he lost 32k and is now only making 16k.


All i am saying is a chart without numbers is just a couple of lines that dont mean anything. You fail to read the numbers on both charts.

Average salary in the US is 48k a year? Is so untrue..

Median Salary in US is 55k a year
Median Salary in California is 68k a year
Median Salary for Sr. software engineer is 105k a year

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

1. Yeah the economy is down whoopdiefreakindoo Doesnt mean they can't spare 20 or so bucks. And if you watch the stock market (i dont think you do cause you live at your moms house) you will see the economy is rising and it is starting to look like a bull market

hey, mom, i want to play an online game!

but, son, we had to sell our computer to afford food.

well get another one, the nodiatis man needs our money!

...

just because YOU can afford $20 a month doesn't mean everyone can.

Yay

[zenga]

First off who cares about jeff's business? You should play a game because you like it, no because you want to sponsor a company.

Originally Posted by thatperson

hovers around 900 people whenever im on ...i never said the playerbase was going down i just said it wasnt growing ......thats whats needed for growth (correct me if im wrong but growing...growth....seems to be a relation there) ...jeff wants growth not stability ...yes stability is better than decline but grown is that hes looking for

Who says glitchless wants growth? Who says glitchless will benefit from growth? Because with growth a bunch of new problems arise.

A simple theoretical example: imagine 1 server can run 1k people smoothly. Now if you get 200 extra players, that server will become sloppy. So you need better / more infrastructure. With more players you need to take care of more customer support, ...

My point being: growing is not necessary the best thing for a company. Staying on par for a while, make your current customers happy and keep them hanging on might be as good as growing.

This is probably not valid for a company like nodiatis, but for many traditional companies growing means money issues. I've seen it myself: the more clients you have, the more cash flow issues you'll get. Clients pay late, your costs increase, you need to pay the VAT back to the state anyways in many countries, regardless if you recieved the money or not, you need to pay staff ... as a matter of fact growth in many areas of industries can destroy companies who were perfectly healthy before.

Well Jadakris looking at your avatar i can imagine you being in college or just out. Meaning you are MUCH MUCH MUCH younger than the average person making what you make not worth Jack Schitt. If you are basing it off what you make then you need to account for a better job (you look far to young to have a good one IMO) and the raises you get for working for a company for several years. I am 18 myself and in college so i dont make that or close to it but you are decades younger than the average human being. Also i was being VERY generous when i stated the figure (meaning i saw average and lowered alot).

And Tap are you saying that not everyone can afford 20 bucks a month .... Did you realize that they own a friggin computer already? meaning they shelled out damn near 1k for that. (note they could be playing from a library but i know 0 who do it exclusively) Also with that they need to pay the power bill having a light on in the room and pay to have the computer on. So if you already spent that money to play the game whats another 20 bucks?!?!?! I personally havent spent a dime on this game or any other online game (not even someone else's money) but i can afford 20 bucks a month without even having a job. You can go out to a street corner and S a D once a month and be able to play Nod is that so hard?

I dont wanna be a hypocrit or sound like an a$$ but MOST people who dont pay here are a burden on the game because they waste server space. I say most because some actually make the game more enjoyable for others. For example Flipy i dont know if he spent money here in the last few months but he makes it fun and same with others.

Also if you have a body you can make 20 bucks a month easily. Sell blood, work the corners, sell urine, sell other bodily fluid, sell lady egg, sell kidney, sell kid to Indonesia, sell liver, sign up for experimental drug trials. What i am trying to say it its ONLY 20 BUCKS!!! Also last time i checked ITS CALLED A SOUP KITCHEN or HOMELESS SHELTER!!!

So what happened to the "R E A L" Pasterqb?

[flipynifty]

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

Well Jadakris looking at your avatar i can imagine you being in college or just out. Meaning you are MUCH MUCH MUCH younger than the average person making what you make not worth Jack Schitt. If you are basing it off what you make then you need to account for a better job (you look far to young to have a good one IMO) and the raises you get for working for a company for several years. I am 18 myself and in college so i dont make that or close to it but you are decades younger than the average human being. Also i was being VERY generous when i stated the figure (meaning i saw average and lowered alot).

And Tap are you saying that not everyone can afford 20 bucks a month .... Did you realize that they own a friggin computer already? meaning they shelled out damn near 1k for that. (note they could be playing from a library but i know 0 who do it exclusively) Also with that they need to pay the power bill having a light on in the room and pay to have the computer on. So if you already spent that money to play the game whats another 20 bucks?!?!?! I personally havent spent a dime on this game or any other online game (not even someone else's money) but i can afford 20 bucks a month without even having a job. You can go out to a street corner and S a D once a month and be able to play Nod is that so hard?

I dont wanna be a hypocrit or sound like an a$$ but MOST people who dont pay here are a burden on the game because they waste server space. I say most because some actually make the game more enjoyable for others. For example Flipy i dont know if he spent money here in the last few months but he makes it fun and same with others.

Also if you have a body you can make 20 bucks a month easily. Sell blood, work the corners, sell urine, sell other bodily fluid, sell lady egg, sell kidney, sell kid to Indonesia, sell liver, sign up for experimental drug trials. What i am trying to say it its ONLY 20 BUCKS!!! Also last time i checked ITS CALLED A SOUP KITCHEN or HOMELESS SHELTER!!!

Who needs to pay $1,000 for a computer? Seriously, you can a great computer, home-built for about $400, and I will bet you anything that it will run better than a factory built computer.

Also, not everyone has the ability/need/want to spend 20 bucks. If someone is having fun as a free and playing Nod as he/she wants, why would that person waste his/her money?

Like I said earlier, that's 20 dollars less to spend on gas, food, utilities, mortgages, loans, etc. Especially in a down economy, that is not a smart investment. Put that 20$ in a CD and get some interest off of it in 6 months.

Who says those who play for free, are wasting server space? These people enjoy the game like you, Flipy, or me. Just because they don't pay doesn't mean they won't pay.

What you are saying is that Jeff is doing horrible, the Ns need to be persecuted, and the paids should demand the attention from Jeff.

What I am saying is this, SHUT THE **** UP AND PLAY THE GAME!

There is no need to FORCE people to pay for a FREE game.

For some reason, you have in your idea that being a paid account is the only way to play the game. Might I remind you that it isn't a necessity. Why would someone waste 20 dollars when they only play casually?

So once again, STFU and play the game that you feel you deserve to play, even if you only bought a TC in-game.

[zenga]

Originally Posted by perryhs

Median Salary in US is 55k a year
Median Salary in California is 68k a year
Median Salary for Sr. software engineer is 105k a year

1) the median number proves ****, as median is different from average. consider a group of 9 people their income

105k
104k
103k
102k
101k
70k
40k
30k
20k

the average is 75k and the median 101k

2) is it before or after taxes? is it an individual number or per family? bottomline if the average american would make 55k a year then the usa wouldn't be virtually bankrupt

3) people who spend 5k on a game like nod should be castrated to prevent them from reproducing themselves

Originally Posted by Ravenskar

So what happened to the "R E A L" Pasterqb?

on a street corner, earning his $20.

Originally Posted by zenga

1) the median number proves ****, as median is different from average. consider a group of 9 people their income

105k
104k
103k
102k
101k
70k
40k
30k
20k

the average is 75k and the median 101k

2) is it before or after taxes? is it an individual number or per family? bottomline if the average american would make 55k a year then the usa wouldn't be virtually bankrupt

3) people who spend 5k on a game like nod should be castrated to prevent them from reproducing themselves

I get data from below

payscale.com


salary is pareto distribution
mean or average is meaningless in this distribution

so I choose "median"


salary distribution is like this

200k
100k
70k
50k
50k
40k
35k
30k
20k


In the United States , 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth, and the top 1% controlled 38%

so I think "median salary" is meaningful than "average salary"

Originally Posted by sherman

Who needs to pay $1,000 for a computer? Seriously, you can a great computer, home-built for about $400, and I will bet you anything that it will run better than a factory built computer.

Also, not everyone has the ability/need/want to spend 20 bucks. If someone is having fun as a free and playing Nod as he/she wants, why would that person waste his/her money?

Like I said earlier, that's 20 dollars less to spend on gas, food, utilities, mortgages, loans, etc. Especially in a down economy, that is not a smart investment. Put that 20$ in a CD and get some interest off of it in 6 months.

Who says those who play for free, are wasting server space? These people enjoy the game like you, Flipy, or me. Just because they don't pay doesn't mean they won't pay.

What you are saying is that Jeff is doing horrible, the Ns need to be persecuted, and the paids should demand the attention from Jeff.

What I am saying is this, SHUT THE **** UP AND PLAY THE GAME!

There is no need to FORCE people to pay for a FREE game.

For some reason, you have in your idea that being a paid account is the only way to play the game. Might I remind you that it isn't a necessity. Why would someone waste 20 dollars when they only play casually?

So once again, STFU and play the game that you feel you deserve to play, even if you only bought a TC in-game.

Umm tell me where i said force the players to pay? I dont want to pay at all. Quit putting words in my mouth dude. Are you blind? I just stated that the game is making less money and the fact that all Jeff cares about is the income instead of better gameplay.

And yes you can easily get a computer for 400 bucks but a small minority has that knowledge.

I also said most people not all. For example the Purefearrs and Curts and all the other scum of Nod that i dont want to address by name. I can name more great people who havent paid for this game than the scum can count.

They would "waste" the money to support the game they love.

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

Umm tell me where i said force the players to pay? I dont want to pay at all. Quit putting words in my mouth dude. Are you blind? I just stated that the game is making less money and the fact that all Jeff cares about is the income instead of better gameplay.

And yes you can easily get a computer for 400 bucks but a small minority has that knowledge.

I also said most people not all. For example the Purefearrs and Curts and all the other scum of Nod that i dont want to address by name. I can name more great people who havent paid for this game than the scum can count.

They would "waste" the money to support the game they love.

By constantly saying "IT'S ONLY 20 BUCKS" like everyone is in your position and can spend money.

[Sapreaver]

It is 5 dollars a month not 20, take a rake or borrow one from family/friends/neighbor go rake 2 yards that is about 8 dollars :O and it takes 30 minutes

[Kerrlahg]

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

Well found some stats on teh intrawebs and they say that if the pace continues the player base of this game will go down even farther. How about some sort of PvP system where you reward the winners. That would widen the audience of this game.



Sorry its not SUPER!!!!! recent.

Unique visitors do not equal income. One unique visitor does not always correlate with one character. To say that Nodiatis is on a downhill slope because of a unique visitors graph doesn't look appealing is quite a leap of logic. As long as the money keeps rolling in (and we know it does), I'm fairly certain there will a future for Nodiatis.

There are not too many things to be taken from a unique visitors graph in the case of Nodiatis. A high percentage of people run multiple-clients to play multiple characters. The loss of one unique visitor could be the loss of a single free character who has never made a purchase or the loss of a dozen premium characters who don't believe in buying tcs with in-game gold.

If you would like to start spreading doomsday stories, please provide adequate evidence.

We do not need an ever-expanding user-base to survive.

Kerr i understand you completely but Nod is a business which i interprut as a store. So imagine all those individual views as people who enter the store or better known as potential customers. You will always have window shoppers and people who walk in and out in a matter of seconds but i wouldnt say that it is completely useless. And dont expect Jeff to focus his time on what could make him more money meaning we play second fiddle to RWK and IF Dawn ever comes out. We will likely have very few updates if any coming.

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

Kerr i understand you completely but Nod is a business which i interprut as a store. So imagine all those individual views as people who enter the store or better known as potential customers. You will always have window shoppers and people who walk in and out in a matter of seconds but i wouldnt say that it is completely useless. And dont expect Jeff to focus his time on what could make him more money meaning we play second fiddle to RWK and IF Dawn ever comes out. We will likely have very few updates if any coming.

Nod will be at V 3.65 before Dawn is released.

[Jadakris]

Yea a median is a middle.. where is that includes everyone.. like sports start who bank millions.. I myself may look young ( I am only going to be 21 on the 20th ) But I make more than my girls parents.. I work thru a union.. And I make about 5x the amount anyone else my ages/ social class.

So when you goto stats like that, keep in mind that many RICH people live in California.. As with Florida.. Why don't you try looking up like.. the working class average.. Not the AVERAGE OF EVERYONE.

Cause trust me, I'm the last person complaining about tossing 100 bucks into a game that is going to keep me occupied for the next few months of my life.. <rolleyes>

So please, keep your stereotypes to youself?

Originally Posted by Jadakris

Yea a median is a middle.. where is that includes everyone.. like sports start who bank millions.. I myself may look young ( I am only going to be 21 on the 20th ) But I make more than my girls parents.. I work thru a union.. And I make about 5x the amount anyone else my ages/ social class.

So when you goto stats like that, keep in mind that many RICH people live in California.. As with Florida.. Why don't you try looking up like.. the working class average.. Not the AVERAGE OF EVERYONE.

Cause trust me, I'm the last person complaining about tossing 100 bucks into a game that is going to keep me occupied for the next few months of my life.. <rolleyes>

So please, keep your stereotypes to youself?

California and Florida also have high costs of living.

So, what you need to look at is not income, but income AND cost of living.