The end of TC farming?

[zenga]

There is a 3rd solution which is part of your nr 1: make it such that people can buy unSB tc's over paypal. There are ways enough to do that (needing a first or 2nd successful upgrade purchase with the same account, etc).

I still think the problem is that its used as premier currency to gold.

Think about it real life - There is a reason that countries have no use for their currency other than currency (unless youre talking yen, then you could wipe your ass with it). There is a reason that coins are no longer made out of gold... or even copper or silver for that matter - because to turn them into their metals nets a higher value then to use them as currency. When currency has another use, it's liable to cause all kinds of problems. Bananas for example, ARE NOT good currency, as they expire and are consumable - though delicious.

Here we have a different, but related problem, we have a commodity - known as TC's. They are all cute and they are all green. All the unSB ones are identical, and they are purchasable in mass with $. So far, sounds like a good currency right? No- because they are consumable, like those tasty bananas. They get consumed while also being used as currency, massively increasing the price in huge jumps.

Jeff already has gold sinks in place for the game, that should equal the amount we make by killing things. It's already set up to be the currency, we even have a "GOLD: "spot on the interface - LETS USE IT!!

I still vote all TC's after trading go SB to dethrone them as the premier currency. To make them ONLY for burning rrt, virtues, or other in-game purchases.

Sorreh.

People will always want more of the same thing for less currency spent, virtual OR real. The less currency they have to spend, the more they can afford to buy. The less currency that these people spend, the less profit for the sellers. Sellers want more for less as well and will charge more currency for the same thing or less of the same thing.

That's just the nature of the beasts. Like Rayzor said months ago when people tried to organize a TC strike: "So what if you want TCs to drop in price? I want more gold for the money I busted my ass for at work!"

To quote Paster:"Many of my friends spent a lot of $$$ to reach the cap and now they spend gold instead. It took me longer because I didn't spend any $$$ but I'm at the cap too just like them spending gold for TCs."

(Both quotes are paraphrased)

If you finally make TCs drop in price, you're just going to piss off the sellers and some will stop selling them causing the price to skyrocket back up because of an even smaller amount of TCs fluxuating around in the market waiting to be consumed.

*plants lips on Jeff's ass cheeks*/sarcasm
I think we all agree that Jeff is a "money loving jew" but, he's a smart "jew". Personally, I find it interesting to see what he does with Nodiatis.

[jedimastercal]

Originally Posted by Relic

It could not be said better. You bring up many valid points.

I feel very bad for people without access to money, or younger players who are still in school, who (with the current prices) will have to be an "N" for 6 months or more to make enough cash to buy a few weeks of standard.

The capability of farming enough gold to pay for a timecard for RT here and there with game gold is being lost quickly, and now buying timecards with money is seemingly being forced down our throats.

True, and this will only be getting worse, and worse as time goes on.
The future of nodiatis is looking, grim.

I am 13 nearly 14 year 9 at the end and my mum and dad have got me accel 13 virts and total 2 lots of 16 weeks standard i have now stopped getting them to pay real life gold and switched to game gold and find if they made timecards only give 2hrs rt for no grinder and 2hrs 30 for grinder people would need more and find it better to be like me and get prem with the timecards but also make from standard 2 times skills to times 3 making faster skills leveling too.

[jedimastercal]

Originally Posted by Flashus

i for one sell TC for 100-105k each..i know this may be high but it is a lot less than in AH.

1 thing i do is i ignore those selling cards at high prices and i embargo them as well.

if everyone embargoes and ignores those selling TC's too high they will eventually reduce their prices

what i was doing with those selling crafted trophies too high i was selling them at 35g per k.

i did ask for an embargo option instead of having to ignore them altogether.

there are a select few who have been increasing their TC prices nearly every week by 5k or more.

I say good idea also i tried to pay 115k instead of a 135k then they guy ignored me i also know that zanythyr is in my clan NIKE said he buys them like 130k and resells for 140k

[Soul Thrift]

LOL really now guys? What have you learned at all during economics class? Supply and Demand will always rule out reason. Maybe I want to sell TCs for over price to get the overpriced EPICS in AH. 500k for a damn 58 anything. It isn't that people over sell TCs, its they over sell every thing else. TCs WILL KEEP GOING UP IN PRICE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

If you have a problem with that then you can sell your TCs for 75k, i dont give a #&@*. Its great you think $5= 100k or less, but in reality it isn't. Sweet 100k, now i only need to sell 3 more for an Epic sleeve. 20 Bucks for an epic is ridiculous. I just want to know whos the retard who figures 5 bucks is 75k gold. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU DONT BUY TCS WITH $, OR YOU JUST WANT TO WASTE YOUR MONEY. I have a decent job and buy all my TCs, and if I sold a TC for under 120k its to a clan member. And thats because i actually value my money.

But really, you think TCs are in a crisis? Dont buy them. Hell, don't even open AH. Quit.....Whining.... boo hoo you cant buy a TC for under 100k : ( Good, now go #&$@ yourself and stay an N. I dont really care. Not my fault or Glitchless' fault that TCs are selling for more than 130k. Thats the thing, even at 130k+ THEY ARE STILL SELLING. People may complain but who cares about them if my product is still being sold for more money. Not going to cheapen my TC just cuz multiple jack offs think its 'overpriced'.

You buy a TC with your own money and sell it how you want to, dont be pushed by egoists or worthless bums to sell cheaper just because they want you to. Yes new players wont be able to buy them without paying money. Oh wait...isnt that the way its always been? There is no problem with TCs, just the people buying and selling them. How about if no one sells their TCs? At all? People will pay more for them, thats what. So just be happy they are on AH and being sold, dont complain about the price.

[Border201]

I don't know if this argument has been raised yet or what (to many pages to read through...) but frankly the idea of imposing an artificial cap on TCs or in some way limit/marginalize their roll in the game is frankly bad business, both for the person buying the TC with RL cash and the person who is willing to trade x amount of gold for the same TC. First off with the current mechanics there is no way to fix the price of a TC to any amount. Yes you can limit the amount offered on the AH but if you can make 50k more then what's on the AH simply by advertising in civil... then what has been accomplished.

The second issue and one that I think people don't realize is far more reaching is the rampant bot usage that's been plaguing us. With the banning of one Bot-er (one of the biggest but still) we've seen the price of TC's drop about 10k in 3ish days. Or about a 7.4% drop in the overall value.

That right there is proof more then anything that people abusing the game or outright cheating have artificially inflated the value of TCs.

It's my belief that leaving the system as is (free market forces) and continue to purge the bot-ers will drive the price down to natural levels where supply and demand meet. Don't think this is a rosy picture though... when I say natural the value could very well still be 100k+ which brings us to the other issue...

The other issue which I suspect hasn't been brought up is the fact that TCs can be used to add a flat 6 hours of RT to an account. to change the all mighty TC from it's current ability of giving 6 hours of RT to no RT would almost cut demand in half simply cause the lvl 70's wouldn't have a use for them outside of extending their subscription.

Even changing the function of TCs and/or fully purging Nod of bot-ers. Prices will still rise as time goes on (but that's a good thing, in moderation). That though has much more to do with more people hitting the lvl 70 (soon to be 80) cap and being able to get uncommon items from their fights that can be sold to a store for 15 or 20k each. Considering it's pretty easy to get 2 or 3 of those a day and you can see just how much extra gold is flowing into the system.

Originally Posted by Border201

The other issue which I suspect hasn't been brought up is the fact that TCs can be used to add a flat 6 hours of RT to an account.

7 hours with Grinder.

[Border201]

Originally Posted by Emperor006

7 hours with Grinder.

kinda useless... but thanks for point that out

Really now guys? Stop complaining about Time Card prices.

lol

Originally Posted by Border201

kinda useless... but thanks for point that out

I wouldn't say that's useless information. More rested time equates to greater timecard value. You said so yourself -- albeit indirectly -- here:

Originally Posted by Border201

to change the all mighty TC from it's current ability of giving 6 hours of RT to no RT would almost cut demand in half simply cause the lvl 70's wouldn't have a use for them outside of extending their subscription.

Otherwise, I agree with the arguments in your 1st post. Though, I must admit, I do not think that taking away one of the TimeCard's abilities is an ideal solution.

If some of these idiots spent as much time playing as they did complaining, they wouldn't have to bitch about prices.

To those of you who are telling people to stop complaining about TC prices, here is my answer as to why I'm irked over the prices.

My total estimated amount spent is $1,100 USD. I'm sick of buying TCs with cash. I've sold them to friends for gold to buy epics. I've used them for countless upgrades and virtues. I've used them for practically every purpose out there that they CAN be used for. It was bad enough when I was in the mid-30s and couldn't afford them with gold(at 70k a TC) after selling every trophy that dropped. Now, TC prices have doubled since then and back then 70k a TC seems like it was nothing more than a sweet, sweet dream.

Nowadays, if you aren't near or at the cap then you can't afford to burn them often unless you got deep pockets.

Thought I'd revisit the OP, as this has inevitably become a clone of countless other "i love to hate this game" threads.

Originally Posted by Whiskeywarrior

I think it will be the end of using TC's for RRT.
Any thoughts/comments/discussion?

I think you're right. On the bright side, I personally get enough satisfaction by simply renewing my standard or premium accounts with them. I've been playing since January 11th, 2009, and have 2 characters at or near the current level cap with fairly decent equipment.

So far, I have burned a grand total of 4 TimeCards for immediate play time. The rest have gone to pay for virtues & upgrades, and buy paid time for a few different accounts. Now...

• Am I decked out in trendy blue armor? No.
• Am I able to solo a boss more than 5-6 levels above me? Haven't tried (but probably not).
• Am I having fun? Absolutely!

And because this game offers such a vast amount of skills, builds & playstyles, I will likely be having fun for a rather long time.

So, having written all of that... I'm not a TC farmer, so I probably don't have any business posting here. Ignore what you just read & de-rep me -- oh wait, you can't. =P

Originally Posted by Whiskeywarrior

EDIT: I had to put the 'mad' face in because it makes me LOL irl

lmao <3 ww

Originally Posted by Soul Thrift

LOL really now guys? What have you learned at all during economics class? Supply and Demand will always rule out reason. Maybe I want to sell TCs for over price to get the overpriced EPICS in AH. 500k for a damn 58 anything. It isn't that people over sell TCs, its they over sell every thing else. TCs WILL KEEP GOING UP IN PRICE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.

If you have a problem with that then you can sell your TCs for 75k, i dont give a #&@*. Its great you think $5= 100k or less, but in reality it isn't. Sweet 100k, now i only need to sell 3 more for an Epic sleeve. 20 Bucks for an epic is ridiculous. I just want to know whos the retard who figures 5 bucks is 75k gold. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU DONT BUY TCS WITH $, OR YOU JUST WANT TO WASTE YOUR MONEY. I have a decent job and buy all my TCs, and if I sold a TC for under 120k its to a clan member. And thats because i actually value my money.

But really, you think TCs are in a crisis? Dont buy them. Hell, don't even open AH. Quit.....Whining.... boo hoo you cant buy a TC for under 100k : ( Good, now go #&$@ yourself and stay an N. I dont really care. Not my fault or Glitchless' fault that TCs are selling for more than 130k. Thats the thing, even at 130k+ THEY ARE STILL SELLING. People may complain but who cares about them if my product is still being sold for more money. Not going to cheapen my TC just cuz multiple jack offs think its 'overpriced'.

You buy a TC with your own money and sell it how you want to, dont be pushed by egoists or worthless bums to sell cheaper just because they want you to. Yes new players wont be able to buy them without paying money. Oh wait...isnt that the way its always been? There is no problem with TCs, just the people buying and selling them. How about if no one sells their TCs? At all? People will pay more for them, thats what. So just be happy they are on AH and being sold, dont complain about the price.

you suck!

[Border201]

Originally Posted by Emperor006

I wouldn't say that's useless information. More rested time equates to greater timecard value. You said so yourself -- albeit indirectly -- here:



Otherwise, I agree with the arguments in your 1st post. Though, I must admit, I do not think that taking away one of the TimeCard's abilities is an ideal solution.

True... I was a bit curt on my response. And it does make a difference.

From what I understand from way back originally the +rt ability of TCs was add to help encourage lvling and TC use.

[Jonsboyfriend]

Step 1: Geef all tee cees to rewick.

Rewick will set the prices and ration out tee cees to the rest of Nod then we will all have them and win!

Step 2: Party

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Jonsboyfriend

Step 1: Geef all tee cees to rewick.

Rewick will set the prices and ration out tee cees to the rest of Nod then we will all have them and win!

Step 2: Party

It's a good idea to say the least.
I support!

[Jonsboyfriend]

Thank you much