Report Button

The Civies I refer to are well known by many as the trio, and the many others not well known, but do the same thing.

Yes it is harsh, but Glitchless already squelches people for spamming in UNCIVIL (supposedly there are no rules) so I doubt that he wants his e-mail filled to the brim with the same person sending in false reports just to get attention.

It can be like the forums now, repeated offenders will receive consistently harsher punishments until it is deemed appropriate to ban the little spamming noob.

The report button will be for everyone, as not everyone "feels like sending a report" when there are certain people acting up.

This will remove that excuse and will allow for more time to send in reports, and get rid of more trash. I know for a fact that if I see some offender in Civil on my alt, I will report him via this button and then announce it.

The e-mail system is trash right now, so I am considering posting the screenies of the offenders right here in the forums so everyone can see that the person is being reported, even Glitchless. That way if nothing is done, something is up.

[Hunters Bane]

I like the bull**** button


I actually have that button irl

[Barsoom]

Originally Posted by sherman

... It can be like the forums now, repeated offenders will receive consistently harsher punishments until it is deemed appropriate to ban the little spamming noob.

First off, I agree with sherman that abuse of the button should eventually result in a ban - after all, we want people who abuse civil to be banned, why not those who spam Glitchless?

Originally Posted by sherman

The e-mail system is trash right now, so I am considering posting the screenies of the offenders right here in the forums so everyone can see that the person is being reported, even Glitchless. That way if nothing is done, something is up.

I think Glitchless should respond to this idea before you start it. Let me explain. (This will take a bit.)

I agree that there is something of a crisis in confidence when repeat offenders seemingly have no consequences in civil. I assume (always a bad move) that Jeff believes that a moral norm will develop in civil and that only those things that are reported need to be investigated. If there isn't a rebellion, then why act? We definately get action when a really obnoxious person shows up - although action is not always quick, reinforcing the assumption Glitchless waits for a critical mass of complaints.

My problem with this approach by Glitchless is that hateful posts should not require a report at all. Inaction by Glitchless appears to civil to be a condoning of the hateful language. Elsewhere I have suggested an automated search through civil logs for keywords that could trigger action without a report.

Back to sherman's idea. If Glitchless believes in the emergence of a moral concensus, then posting screenies in the forums will only result in a hate war. Why? Because if the report as an email doesn't work, why should a post? Evidently sherman is willing to chance it in the belief that a rebellion will finally bring action... sounds like a reasonable bet to me.

Still, this is Jeff's game, he should be allowed to give us direction as to how he would like the issue played out.

Let's see, missed a fair bit it seems.

I still agree with the idea of the button in general, I also agree that proof will be needed for when reports are actually taken.

Concerning posting the screen shots on the forum to get action more likely than not they'll be deleted by a mod for something stupid like spam. But there is also a problem with the emailing, imagine how many emails they must get everyday, must be into the hundreds possibly thousands, so can you really expect them to operate on that?

The implementing of a button, if coded properly could make it so any reports about 1 person get stacked, so that an idea of how many people have reported them can be judged. The button would obviously also take the name of the reporter also thus hopefully stop the abuse of the button.

Ideally the best way to clean up chat is to have some form of civil chat moderators online at all times. But that would have to come after the idea of a button I believe.

Both Barsoom and Reejery have valid points.

Barsoom: Glitchless does seem to wait until a consensus is formed that one person needs to be dealt with, and if everyone likes one person, he or she gets unbanned. Or, if the person is considered annoying by many and the Admin considers it "funny" to "set loose" someone on Civil.

I find it very immoral and insulting to do something like that. Also, to publicly announce that someone has been complaining about an update in a patch is very immoral as well. Then to have to eat his own words a few more weeks down the line, he should have to pay compensation of some sort, on top of having to heal his bruised ego.

Yes I believe a rebellion is necessary. I have tried to change things peacefully and it has not worked. Like you said it seems that a critical mass of people is necessary to get somethings done. A rebellion would have a critical mass of people and would get somethings done.

Concerning your suggestion on flagging civil posts, the posts before the reign of Nikita are not affected, just to let you know.

Reejery: I like your suggestions. A Civil chat moderator that is permanently squelched, and cannot interact with the players at all would work. Or have an auto-report feature that allows any flagged words to get auto-reported. However, the report button would still be needed in such a case, as people can get creative to bypass such filters. The Civil Chat moderator would have to work in shifts obviously, I don't see anyone being able to last 8 hours straight in front of that chat, not even Suddam Hussein or Fidel Castro deserves that.

Originally Posted by sherman

Both Barsoom and Reejery have valid points.

Barsoom: Glitchless does seem to wait until a consensus is formed that one person needs to be dealt with, and if everyone likes one person, he or she gets unbanned. Or, if the person is considered annoying by many and the Admin considers it "funny" to "set loose" someone on Civil.

I find it very immoral and insulting to do something like that. Also, to publicly announce that someone has been complaining about an update in a patch is very immoral as well. Then to have to eat his own words a few more weeks down the line, he should have to pay compensation of some sort, on top of having to heal his bruised ego.

Yes I believe a rebellion is necessary. I have tried to change things peacefully and it has not worked. Like you said it seems that a critical mass of people is necessary to get somethings done. A rebellion would have a critical mass of people and would get somethings done.

Concerning your suggestion on flagging civil posts, the posts before the reign of Nikita are not affected, just to let you know.

Reejery: I like your suggestions. A Civil chat moderator that is permanently squelched, and cannot interact with the players at all would work. Or have an auto-report feature that allows any flagged words to get auto-reported. However, the report button would still be needed in such a case, as people can get creative to bypass such filters. The Civil Chat moderator would have to work in shifts obviously, I don't see anyone being able to last 8 hours straight in front of that chat, not even Suddam Hussein or Fidel Castro deserves that.

Stop bashing Nod staff.

Originally Posted by klippi

Stop bashing Nod staff.

remember that next time you dont like somthing. he/we dont like whats going on so we say somthing about it. theres nothing wrong with that. i assume somthing will continue to be said until a response is made. thats like asking your mom to go somwhere, and she ignores you. what do you do? keep asking until you get a responce

[Destruction]

The Civies I refer to are well known by many as the trio, and the many others not well known, but do the same thing.

Not sure if you are referring to me, gwen, or my bro, but if you are, I have no clue what you are talking about. We haven't broken any rules in civil in like months (after jarel got banned or some). The closest we've come to breaking the "civil" rules was accidentally wrong chatting something like "damn."

I do overall agree with the purpose of a"report" button. It would be a lot more convinient to report people via a button then having to do an email with a separate picture screenshot, etc.

Originally Posted by Destruction

Not sure if you are referring to me, gwen, or my bro, but if you are, I have no clue what you are talking about. We haven't broken any rules in civil in like months (after jarel got banned or some). The closest we've come to breaking the "civil" rules was accidentally wrong chatting something like "damn."

I do overall agree with the purpose of a"report" button. It would be a lot more convinient to report people via a button then having to do an email with a separate picture screenshot, etc.

Perhaps you have forgotten that one comment to a little spamming noob. I even posted a screenshot of it here in the forums.

Something about telling his mom to use a coat hanger next time she chose to make a decision or something like that.

[Destruction]

Ah, yes, I remember that nooblet; however, if you think that is "uncivil" you need to enlighten yourself on what is civil and what is uncivil.

If I was to say "abortion is what should have happen to that spammer," do you think that's uncivil? There's no swearing, it is just an opinion that doesn't use any foul language and is just a statement.

The rules of civil mention religion, sex, and politics. Where does it mention a statement about abortion?

EDIT: One cannot proclaim my statement to be "political" due to controversy about abortion since I haven't stated anything of the sort "abortion is right/wrong."

In case you forgot the civil rules:

"If you want to swear or disucss inflammatory topics such as religion, politics, sex, or drugs use the uncivil channel."



Also, if you think it's an offencive comment I made, then honestly, by that standard, your avatar of a "flicking off" is offencive to me. Hypocrisy.

You were in fact flaming that individual, you can call me a hypocrite all you want, your deed should be punished. For some reason, it hasn't.

Dest, you have also admitted to have broken the rules before, yet nothing has been done. What do you think about that? Do you consider yourself lucky? Do you consider yourself one of the less crude civils? Do you think your helpfulness outweighs your crudeness?

Most importantly, do you think you should not be punished for a did you have admitted to doing that is in fact flaming?


Besides, in Civil you are supposed to never be mean or hurtful to anyone. You and I have both broken General Game Rule 3 under ToU.

[Destruction]

Originally Posted by sherman

You were in fact flaming that individual, you can call me a hypocrite all you want, your deed should be punished. For some reason, it hasn't.

Dest, you have also admitted to have broken the rules before, yet nothing has been done. What do you think about that? Do you consider yourself lucky? Do you consider yourself one of the less crude civils? Do you think your helpfulness outweighs your crudeness?

Most importantly, do you think you should not be punished for a did you have admitted to doing that is in fact flaming?


Besides, in Civil you are supposed to never be mean or hurtful to anyone. You and I have both broken General Game Rule 3 under ToU.

I have broken the rules, but you have to keep in mind the time. Timing is very important because if you remember, there once was no such thing as "uncivil" and "civil;" therefore, it's safe to say, there were no "clear cut" rules of what could be said in one "general" channel.

I do consider myself to be one of the less crude people in GAME, not in chat alone.

Also, your definition of "flamming" is highly debatable. To me, flamming someone is REPEATED harrassment of the user, with a multitude of insults. One crude comment is hardly able to be classified as "harrassment" or "flamming." Also, keep in mind he was a spammer, so he did indeed start the provactive conversation.

Also, the "deed" I have not admitted is flamming. Read above what I just wrote. Or perhaps you poorly phrased that statement.

In civil, the above rules apply. Nothing is said toward "mean or hurtful." I can freely say "you are ugly" in civil, one time, and nothing can be done about it despite it being a "mean." Comment. Again, read over the rules.

EDIT: If you are the same Sherman who was banned from civil ages ago, I think that you are a very resentful individual who tries to get back at people due to his own faults of getting banned.

My last words to you: Grow up and learn from your mistakes. If you think I have committed a crime, send in reports and screenshots. If you get ignored, by all means feel free to again submit them and again and again, up to your hearts delight. If you are correct, it shouldn't take more then a single try or so.

Originally Posted by Destruction

I have broken the rules, but you have to keep in mind the time. Timing is very important because if you remember, there once was no such thing as "uncivil" and "civil;" therefore, it's safe to say, there were no "clear cut" rules of what could be said in one "general" channel.

I do consider myself to be one of the less crude people in GAME, not in chat alone.

Also, your definition of "flamming" is highly debatable. To me, flamming someone is REPEATED harrassment of the user, with a multitude of insults. One crude comment is hardly able to be classified as "harrassment" or "flamming." Also, keep in mind he was a spammer, so he did indeed start the provactive conversation.

Also, the "deed" I have not admitted is flamming. Read above what I just wrote. Or perhaps you poorly phrased that statement.

In civil, the above rules apply. Nothing is said toward "mean or hurtful." I can freely say "you are ugly" in civil, one time, and nothing can be done about it despite it being a "mean." Comment. Again, read over the rules.

EDIT: If you are the same Sherman who was banned from civil ages ago, I think that you are a very resentful individual who tries to get back at people due to his own faults of getting banned.

http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/no...rum-rules.html

It says do not be a jerk. You were a jerk, even if it was just one comment. You have admitted to being crude, which is the opposite of keeping it clean.

I have no problems with getting banned from Civil. My only beef with the "Moderators" is that they continue to let filth fill the Civil chat, which has been admitted by many people, yet nothing is done. Also, since you want to bring up that period Dest. During that time in Nod you and faith were both breaking the third rule of Game Rules. At the time, I was peeved that such a thing occurred, but now I don't care. The only thing I call for is fairness.

"The law of the land" as it is called in the United States of America, means that no man is above the law. I am a firm believer of that.

1. You have admitted to being crude

2. Crude is the opposite of clean

3. You are attempting to defame me to make my points null.

You can claim whatever you want Dest, the proof is in the forums. There is no grey area about if you should be punished.

There is also no grey area about the filth of Civil, about the filth of the Civl forums, and about the bias and prejudice of Nikita.

Originally Posted by Destruction

Ah, yes, I remember that nooblet; however, if you think that is "uncivil" you need to enlighten yourself on what is civil and what is uncivil.

If I was to say "abortion is what should have happen to that spammer," do you think that's uncivil? There's no swearing, it is just an opinion that doesn't use any foul language and is just a statement.

The rules of civil mention religion, sex, and politics. Where does it mention a statement about abortion?

EDIT: One cannot proclaim my statement to be "political" due to controversy about abortion since I haven't stated anything of the sort "abortion is right/wrong."

In case you forgot the civil rules:

"If you want to swear or disucss inflammatory topics such as religion, politics, sex, or drugs use the uncivil channel."



Also, if you think it's an offencive comment I made, then honestly, by that standard, your avatar of a "flicking off" is offencive to me. Hypocrisy.

Ok where in the rules does it say you cannot pm somone whatever you like? i still havent found it. And how do i know the persona i pm'ed is a uncivil or civil person for sure?

[Melusinenyxie]

"If you want to swear or disucss inflammatory topics such as religion, politics, sex, or drugs use the uncivil channel."

it says such as, not only. Those are examples.

Inflammatory:
1 : tending to excite anger, disorder, or tumult

Abortion is a very controversial subject, and can very easily be construed as inflammatory.

[Barsoom]

It seems to me that we've lost the point of the thread. Everyone seems to agree we need the button. Good. Be it resolved...

The only outstanding question seems to be on the definition of what constitutes civil. Ultimately Glitchless will decide that for us (rebellion or no).

For what it's worth, I take a middle ground on the one and the many question. While it is true that one-offs can be inflammatory, I don't know many people who report on a first offence. It is only when players press the topic that the community (rightly) responds. That's not quite the same thing as spam - afterall the comments might be quite different - but everybody says stupid things in the heat of the moment. If Dest has only said one stupid thing in months, then he should be congratulated.

Originally Posted by Barsoom

It seems to me that we've lost the point of the thread. Everyone seems to agree we need the button. Good. Be it resolved...

The only outstanding question seems to be on the definition of what constitutes civil. Ultimately Glitchless will decide that for us (rebellion or no).

For what it's worth, I take a middle ground on the one and the many question. While it is true that one-offs can be inflammatory, I don't know many people who report on a first offence. It is only when players press the topic that the community (rightly) responds. That's not quite the same thing as spam - afterall the comments might be quite different - but everybody says stupid things in the heat of the moment. If Dest has only said one stupid thing in months, then he should be congratulated.

No no and no.

Any offense should be treated as an offense. There should be no such thing as congratulating an offender for not making an offense for "months" as he so claims. He considered it months until I brought that one incident back up.

Now, how many other things has he forgotted?

The logs could tell us, depending on how far back they go. But, seeing as how Dest is still unpunished despite his coming forth of his offense, I take it the prejudice/bias is too deep for Glitchless's ego to admit.

I also consider that because of the lack of activity in the forums, they are planning something big.

Be it big or small, it can't be good considering the recent events.

Whatever they do, the populace of Nod will not take this BS sitting down.

[Barsoom]

Originally Posted by sherman

Now, how many other things has he forgotted?

"forgotted"?

Look Sherman,

1) There is agreement on a report button
2) No one is arguing with using the forums as a way of highlighting the issue.

Right now, you've got a consensus on what you are proposing. Take credit for a good idea and move the agenda forward. Don't make this a personal issue. You risk a big-picture win if the community at-large perceives this to be a small-picture crusade.

Sherman, right now you yourself are breaking the rules by 'flaming' about dest, so take it to the uncivil forum, or shout at him over pm's.

Because right now you aren't arguing a damn thing worth arguing about at present, because what barsoom said is correct it wont be us who decide what can and can't be said but glitchless, so until that day comes lets keep to the report button OK? Good.

Waste of the bandwidth

Use uncivil !