Hey Nikita...

[Jerzy]

Take this ****ing infraction off. It is a matter of principal. I've tried asking nicely. I've tried asking privately. No ****ing response. Apparently you only respond to people making a big deal out of things. What's fair is fair. It was in uncivil. So it the infraction be there. If it stays, they same should go for the post I reported(which was in a civil section). You can't have it both ways.

[Jon]

Go Jerzy..fight da power

[Alesandra]

Bump...i agree, there have been some very BIG double standards as of late here in nod...

Needs to more Nazis in the civil chat, there is much worse **** in there.

Where is the civil chat version of Nikita?

Oh that's wait, only Jeff's asskissers are there, can't punish them for wiping Jeff's ass with their noses.

It's ****ing simple really, implement a damn report button in the game, and you just type the player's name who broke the rules.

I can guarantee you that there will be 100's of reports of rule breakers from me alone. Don't think I will sit by and let you dictate what we can and can't do in UNCIVIL FORUMS while you sit by and let Civil chat do whatever they want, Mike/Jeff.

Hey Nikita, why don't you ban the other "filth" from the forums, the ones that are reported? Seriously, I have reported a few idiots myself and they have yet to be infracted, for worse things than what a few other people did. Not to mention it was in civil forums.

[Jerzy]

Jeff,

You're getting alot of pissed off people here. I'm not sure what is going on, but this forum nonsense is getting out of hand. The double standards are alienating many players and the fix is ridiculously simple. Get a new mod or get rid mods completely. At the very least, just tell her to get her **** together.

i just got squelched for telling music to **** off after she pm'ed me. there is another post in uncivil thread named "hey music"

Enough is enough. I have written it in another thread and I will say it again. Be consistent. And limit your bias.

Originally Posted by Ives

Dear Nikita,
Hopefully you are still reading this thread of yours.

Ok, i just have a few things to say in this thread after which I won't post in here again.

Although you cited some experience on moderating other forums, I think perhaps I should just add a few words of advice here. Please ignore me if you find advice offensive.

1. Above all, be consistent. You need to have your own ground rules on what is considered an insult and what isn't. You may or may not like some players here, but try to limit your bias to determine what needs to be done and what you want to do. They are not the same thing.

2. Trying to be polite while telling people not to insult others doesn't need baby words, i.e. "sarcastic tones" on words like "big meanie" and "purple dinosaur". You might appear endearing to 5 year olds and even certain types of MMORPG players, but i don't think that this will earn you the respect of 95% of the Nod gaming population. And if they don't respect you, they will question each and every decision you make. And they won't take what you have to say seriously.

3. I do not know why you wanted to penalise old infractions (those that occurred before your reign). Although this was already over and dealt with, but seriously, it is an oversight on your part. Instead of wiping the slate clean for all players and "re"-informing them about what the rules are plus what actions you certainly will take against them, you chose to alienate people using their old offenses without giving them a chance to adjust for your "reign". Needless to say, respect lost is much harder to win back. Good luck trying to moderate those players now.

Well, no one ever successfully leads through attempting to instill fear and angering your charges by enforcing deconstructive punishment. And being banned by a woman dancing around with purple dinosaurs while shouting "big meanie" only serves to anger and frustrate, and not reform.

-Ives-

And if Nikita is really = Music, then please either stop playing Nod or give up your moderator status. Because you cannot be a player and a moderator in the same game. In another analogy, you cannot be a student in the same class that you are teaching.

-Ives-

[Jon]

Originally Posted by Ives

Enough is enough. I have written it in another thread and I will say it again. Be consistent. And limit your bias.

And if Nikita is really = Music, then please either stop playing Nod or give up your moderator status. Because you cannot be a player and a moderator in the same game. In another analogy, you cannot be a student in the same class that you are teaching.

-Ives-

Either way, 'Nikita' is neither 'qualified' or experienced enuff to mod forums imo.

Jeff, if you did indeed hire 'Nikita', in the words of Mr. Trump, you gotta tell her..

'Nikita, you're fired.'

[Melusinenyxie]

I haven't really seen much modding, except to those on an unfair basis.

Plus I've seen a lot more spam bots flooding the threads o.O

I dun think this whole barney thing is working...maybe if you went with teletubbies, or blues clues...

If Music is indeed Nikita then the idiot is breaking the very rule she enforced on me, NO FORUM ALTS!

Not to mention that means she fraternizes with the players of the game in the game, and Mike stated she wouldn't do that.

I call bull****!

Sherman take a chill pill.

[Jerzy]

If Nikita is actually Music then Glitchless has lost their collective minds. Music is a circus animal.

Regardless, take offf the goddamn infraction or apply rules consistently. Either way is fine with me, just let me know via pm or post here (and probably close thread, as that seems to be the way "moderation" takes place).

[Jerzy]

For the record, I keep having a reoccuring dream where Music's avatar fellates my uncircumcised cock while we listen to the Purple Rain Soundtrack and a group of one-legged men wearing Carhartt overalls throw soggy onion rings at us. Not sure what that is about . . .

Just because I love to play devil's advocate.... gonna defend Nikita for a second.

Rules, you're right, are not meant to be broken. But the idea that there is only right and wrong is in and of itself wrong. The world is not black and white. Laws are not black and white. Forum rules are not black and white. Real life example:

You're walking down the street and see a mugger with a gun aimed at the head of some girl whose purse is in her hand. You, being a good person, rip the mugger's hand to the side so that when he instinctively pulls the trigger, nobody gets shot. You then jab your fist into the back of his elbow, breaking his arm, and punch him in the face, knocking him onto the ground.

Would you go to jail for assault? You weren't defending yourself. You weren't stopping a trespasser. You were off your property in public and attacked someone who had absolutely no intent to hurt you. That's assault.

But you could have saved that girl's life. The law would bend in that case and you would be interviewed by the news because now you're a hero and you're likely taking the girl out for dinner on Friday.

According to the law, you should be going to jail. Granted, the "biases" are not in situations where someone's life may be at stake - if someone's life is at stake because of a Goddamn forum, we've got bigger problems - but Ives keeps saying that Nikita needs to enforce the rules evenly. That means the guy who beat up the mugger sits in jail. He gets punished for helping someone.

There is more to moderation than just memorizing the rules and keeping everyone from breaking them. There is a thing called judgment. The ability to judge whether not breaking the rules in a given situation is disruptive. And honestly I have not seen much evidence of bias - a couple incidents performed by different individuals once. If someone repeatedly breaks the rules in a blatantly disruptive fashion then yes, there would be significant ground for bias claims.

Please, for the rest of the discussion on Nikita's ability to moderate effectively (or lack thereof) question her judgment on interpreting the rules - not whether she strictly adheres to the rules with no exceptions whatsoever to account for the context of the occurrence.

Originally Posted by Ehlmaris

Ives keeps saying that Nikita needs to enforce the rules evenly. That means the guy who beat up the mugger sits in jail. He gets punished for helping someone.

There is more to moderation than just memorizing the rules and keeping everyone from breaking them. There is a thing called judgment.

Exactly. We are questioning her judgment. And your point is?

Originally Posted by Ives

1. Above all, be consistent. You need to have your own ground rules on what is considered an insult and what isn't. You may or may not like some players here, but try to limit your bias to determine what needs to be done and what you want to do. They are not the same thing.

That's my point. Consistency requires there to be a set of rules which are deemed 100% infallible and never allow for any interpretation whatsoever. That means no judgment. There is no considering the circumstances in which a rule was broken. There is no considering how far over the line someone went. There is no considering how often someone toed the line without crossing it before. There is only the line, the rules.

I understand that sometimes people may make choices that not everyone agrees with - but that doesn't make them wrong. But we need someone who can look at things and determine not only who broke a rule, but why that rule was broken, how often that person has broken rules, how often that person has bent the rules, and make a decision about whether or not that person is likely to learn their lesson from a slap on the wrist, or if more severe punishment (infractions, squelch, temporary bans, permabans) would be necessary.

These decisions shouldn't be made on a whim. If they were we'd have tons of consistency, and issues would be addressed much faster. None of the above research would be necessary.

Honestly I'm starting to question whether knowing more about the Glitchless crew was a good idea. Nikita's all of a sudden become one of the most hated people in Nodiatis... for doing her job.

[Alesandra]

Originally Posted by Ehlmaris

Honestly I'm starting to question whether knowing more about the Glitchless crew was a good idea. Nikita's all of a sudden become one of the most hated people in Nodiatis... for doing her job.

Agreed. The forums now have more threads going about how bad the mods are doing than actual discussions about the game. I myself have responded to numerous threads trying to get glitchless attention, mostly to no avail...but it really hasnt affected me in-game at all. O well

Originally Posted by Ehlmaris

That's my point. Consistency requires there to be a set of rules which are deemed 100% infallible and never allow for any interpretation whatsoever. That means no judgment. There is no considering the circumstances in which a rule was broken. There is no considering how far over the line someone went. There is no considering how often someone toed the line without crossing it before. There is only the line, the rules.

You are stretching the statement way too far. Stating all sorts of "if" conditions without any reference to the real situation. This is the sort of thing that wastes everyone's time - debating on "what if" and "what could be" instead of "what is".

I am not interested in arguing over ideology, methodology and philosophy. I only see the final outcome, and it is a bad one. This itself is the proof of a bad ideology, a bad methodology and a bad philosophy.

Originally Posted by Alesandra

Agreed. The forums now have more threads going about how bad the mods are doing than actual discussions about the game.

People are naturally resistant to change. Eventually, a change becomes accepted as the 'norm', and the complaints cease, for the most part.

Jerzy, what does an infraction do, anyway? I like the color -- it brings out your eyes. :evil:

Originally Posted by Ives

You are stretching the statement way too far. Stating all sorts of "if" conditions without any reference to the real situation. This is the sort of thing that wastes everyone's time - debating on "what if" and "what could be" instead of "what is".

I am not interested in arguing over ideology, methodology and philosophy. I only see the final outcome, and it is a bad one. This itself is the proof of a bad ideology, a bad methodology and a bad philosophy.

Then point to the facts, the real situation. Give me some links to the relevant information. Tell me what post broke the rules, who made the post, and what the punishment was. Tell me who should have, in the interest of consistency, also been punished. Point out specific posts displaying why.

Quit railing on inconsistency unless you're prepared to point to specific evidence to back up your claim. I recall someone saying that we are innocent until proven guilty... while that statement isn't necessarily true as this is the Internet which does not have its own laws in place that determine the nature of innocence/guilt, if it were, it would apply to Nikita too.

Link the evidence, plzkthx.