favoritism

So Glitchless, you started to decide on players’ reputation at will. Isn’t this reputation thing supposed to indicate how respected/active/ savvy a player is in the eyes of those who care enough to visit the forums? I know the rep bar is vague and unreliable at best, what I react to very negatively is how people supporting your position in the crafter buff debate got basically appointed as disciples and how others were massively derep’ed simply for hating the update.

You will say it wasn’t for hating the update but for showing a lack of manners, but be honest, that was never punished so consequently on separate occasions. I can see how a remark like this:

Originally Posted by Relic

Your way of thinking is far beyond Glitchless Zenga, implementing something that worked out for everyone, was obviously beyond there capabilities, sad but very true.

demands a suspension. I don’t see how being fed up and calling something one considers garbage garbage deserves a similar treatment. It seems you are trying to tell us whom we should listen to and who isn’t worth it, like we needed help with our judgements. Are you really in need of this?

Note that I’m not taking sides in the argument about epic recipe drops - it’s about the disconcerting, not even subtle way of moderating opinions that was applied, which quite raises the question why I should give a damn about discussing a patch implementation when the outcome is most likely predetermined.

[flipynifty]

I agree the whole repping thing is kinda... well ... unneccesary. I see a lot of people with super high reps that don't actually ever help anyone, and typically turn threads sour. But whatever, not my game

derepping is one thing...after all, rep doesn't actually affect anything, and the players know well enough to tell who makes sense and who doesn't (although assuming that your consumers are stupid enough to avoid people with red bars is presumptuous and insulting). but banning people for disagreeing? i mean, really...even if they *do* out-right insult the game-producing capacity of glitchless, that's not really grounds for suspension. if the patches are really good enough to stand up to criticism, people will realize it without dissenter voices suddenly being silenced. and the same goes for the people running the game. were you to spend a bit less time thinking of ways to communize the epics and a bit more watching the news results for the iran elections, you'd know better. shame, shame.

[Faithfulservant]

Isn’t this reputation thing supposed to indicate how respected/active/ savvy a player is in the eyes of those who care enough to visit the forums?

Not really.Moreso just who can remove reputation,or who can increase their buddies rep the highest.Really reputation is/was just personal opinion among friends/gatherings.
Hardly any reputation given out is non-biased,non-favoritised from neutrals.Just friends patting friends on backs,or enemies attacking lone unit's reputation together.
Nothing to do with neutral respect.

...And seriously,is forum reputation that important to you?If so,you're missing the entire point of discussion/spirit of the game forums.You shouldn't be here to care about a few words about you beneath your text.Forums are meant for knowledge and meaningful conversation.Just relax.

-Just in the manner of good spirit,I'll add you some reputation.Enjoy.

[Faithfulservant]

but banning people for disagreeing? i mean, really...even if they *do* out-right insult the game-producing capacity of glitchless, that's not really grounds for suspension.

I would say it depends.Are the flames and insults being spread in grounds of civil sections of the forums?Or uncivil.Same idea with bringing ***/religion/crap into civil shouts,in game.You don't.

[Destruction]

Originally Posted by flipynifty

I agree the whole repping thing is kinda... well ... unneccesary. I see a lot of people with super high reps that don't actually ever help anyone, and typically turn threads sour. But whatever, not my game

I agree flip, it's not very needed.

I, personally, don't see any favoritism. If you were active in the forums, you could clearly see when people crossed lines and started flame wars for no reasons and insulting others just because they disliked the person and not the idea itself. I am surprised it got as far as it did. In my eyes, this is justice to those who have acted like 5 year old monkies on these forums. Good riddence to them and their rep.

-Dest

[Faithfulservant]

-Dest

Long live redundancy!

[Sapreaver]

I want to be dereped that new mod is dereping so many people and reping others rather then it being earned

i gave out to many rep points in the last 24 hrs sap sorry :P

[Faithfulservant]

Wow power....umm...nice rep.Lol

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I would say it depends.Are the flames and insults being spread in grounds of civil sections of the forums?Or uncivil.Same idea with bringing ***/religion/crap into civil shouts,in game.You don't.

if insults were bannable offenses, all right, that might be fair. but even then, it's always seen as a sign of weakness if an authority figure silences critics. and besides, half of sherman's post-count is directed towards flaming ***yy, and they're generally far more crude/less creative than the insult referenced here. that's just one example; insults fly around plenty in the civil forums.

I think its funny how dest and faithful went from having negative rep a few days ago to like 500+ rep...

[Middington]

ohnoez I not get teh ubar repz even tho i spend lots of monies!

imo respect from game mods and creators is much better and fulfilling than that of players, and how is (for example) relic, getting the **** kicked out of his rep abuse of power? it pretty much proves theres no "favoritism" as he probably spends more on this "game"(didnt he compare it to reality?) than anybody.

[Gwendalyn]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wow power....umm...nice rep.Lol

lol rep or bad rep was just supposed to be something for fun.. not anything to really take seriously or get offended over

[Faithfulservant]

if insults were bannable offenses, all right, that might be fair. but even then, it's always seen as a sign of weakness if an authority figure silences critics. and besides, half of sherman's post-count is directed towards flaming ***yy, and they're generally far more crude/less creative than the insult referenced here. that's just one example; insults fly around plenty in the civil forums.

Sign of weakness,quick thinking,dirty move,anything and everything that it may be...Insults are insults.Trash doesn't belong in here forums.There's a reason we got an uncivil/off topic forums.Once more people realize this,less work for mods honestly.

No comment on flaming ***-[yy].I got no probs with it though.Lol

And yes,insults fly a lot.Hence we got a new mod.Yay for trash control.It's like Jeff installed a brand new anti-garbage filter!Who needs ignore N's,or even ignore lv 5 and under when you
got free anti-garbage filter?I love filters,that I do.

I think its funny how dest and faithful went from having negative rep a few days ago to like 500+ rep...

Reputation is nothing but a digit with a statement next to it.I don't make anything of it.
I believe Nikita or some other mod gave me around one thousand points.Nice gesture I admit,but no reason to become obsessed with it.Here,have some reputation Richp.

Edit: Apparently can't give any to richp for 24 hrs ...Lol I tried :\

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Not really.Moreso just who can remove reputation,or who can increase their buddies rep the highest.Really reputation is/was just personal opinion among friends/gatherings.
Hardly any reputation given out is non-biased,non-favoritised from neutrals.Just friends patting friends on backs,or enemies attacking lone unit's reputation together.
Nothing to do with neutral respect.

...And seriously,is forum reputation that important to you?If so,you're missing the entire point of discussion/spirit of the game forums.You shouldn't be here to care about a few words about you beneath your text.Forums are meant for knowledge and meaningful conversation.Just relax.

Didn’t I say that? The reputation system is a meaningless toy and quick message delivery service – and of course it’s based on bias, players don’t have to act neutral. However, the way Glitchless utilized it casts a poor light on their activity as mods. If you handle stuff in the manner of “Say what we want to hear and you’ll get a reward”, however ridiculous that reward might be, then you are openly inviting forum-goers to suck up.

Originally Posted by Middington

ohnoez I not get teh ubar repz even tho i spend lots of monies!

imo respect from game mods and creators is much better and fulfilling than that of players, and how is (for example) relic, getting the **** kicked out of his rep abuse of power? it pretty much proves theres no "favoritism" as he probably spends more on this "game"(didnt he compare it to reality?) than anybody.

It's not about the money anyone spent and I don't know where you got that idea from - the point is that you and some other guys got favored for defending Glitchless’ moves. If all they want is positive feedback then they could tell us right away and spare dissenters the effort.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Yay for trash control.It's like Jeff installed a brand new anti-garbage filter!Who needs ignore N's,or even ignore lv 5 and under when you got free anti-garbage filter?I love filters,that I do.

A story about a guy who loved filters too much (explicit content, inappropriate for children, etc.):

Guts by Chuck Palahniuk | The Cult

[Middington]

You missed the point, Glitchless doesnt play favorites. If I were to pick favorites, I'd favor the people that spend the most money(Relic is one of those people) yet in almost every instance of someone getting supsended, it's almost always Relic. and I'm pretty sure all I said on the subject other than criticizing the people people who were bashing was, "give the patch a chance". I dont think that warrants a defense, as "give the guy a chance" wouldnt be likely to get you out of any murder convictions. Glitchless doesnt need anyone to defend him.

(on a less serious note, it was pretty easy to pick out the people who deserved positive rep out of that thread, it was all the people smart enough to cope with the fact that glitchless doesnt owe them ****, much less an explanation for a patch)

There is NO favoritism. Understand? NO favoritism.

[Destruction]

omg rofl@uncle jeff

[USAViper2127]

Sorry, I am done reading others posts, don't really know what was said here except on relics behalf. If you are gonna squelch and ban relic for what he had said then I will say it as well jeff/glichless. These last patches have been garbage and most of the game has agreed with this but you have done nothing about it because you are trying to "buff" crafters. All you are doing is screwing up the balance of gold in the game. Before this patch it was easy to keep epics selling for what they are worth, its cause there is a thing called supply and demand. Seems like you don't understand what this is though so I will explain. Supply= the amount of whatever you are trying to buy or sell. Demand= the amount of people trying to buy the certain item. Crafters now will own the supply. Do you know what this means?? Supply falls to rock bottom and demand skyrockets. This makes it so now lets say a Zombie claw (epic level 28 slasher) that used to sell at around 100,000-150,000 just jumped to 300,000 because there is nobody keeping this in order cause only 1 person will be selling it. Crafters should not own the epic supply. Everybody should have some kind of part in it. Thank you and I expect to be banned for my words like relic was. by all.


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