ok....hope casters r finally happy now

That's all? Just caster only runes, DOT skills (that r only worth a nickle if u have a staff, or have INT, which is only casters and archers, and archers r not likely to use DOTs), seriously nice black auras of several flavors (when all casters but angels and healers use black if they have any sense)? Oh wait! Epic gems in 2 weeks...ok that's better, i was afraid casters would still be "nerfed".

This is an open invitation to flaming...

*will not fall for it**will not fall for it**will not fall for it*

[Sapreaver]

Grow up mate ^.^

Originally Posted by Qiana

That's all? Just caster only runes, DOT skills (that r only worth a nickle if u have a staff, or have INT, which is only casters and archers, and archers r not likely to use DOTs), seriously nice black auras of several flavors (when all casters but angels and healers use black if they have any sense)? Oh wait! Epic gems in 2 weeks...ok that's better, i was afraid casters would still be "nerfed".

The DoT skills are only worth a "nickle" if you are a DoT caster. This does not help DD casters at all. DoT don't have INT so Im not sure where you got this "casters and archers have int" stuff. Black has some of the best DD spells meaning warlocks and wizards use black and oh yea perhaps necromancers like to use black too? Take a deep breath think about what you say before posting and watch a nice movie.

ok first off
all black and red dd spels do 1 to x
blue dd spells do x to x (meaning it's a set number period)
white dd vary from 2 up as starting number to x by far making white dd's a lot more powerful

2nd caster have to raise alot more skills in magic than the average player to get the benefits you are whining about (and yes i've talked with others who don't rely on magic and casters easily raise double the amount of magic skills)

3rd it's obvious you'v never played either class you claim gain the advantges so in the style of several other players grow up, and stfu & gtfo

lol...yea...good show. awwww, poor casters...a lil sarcasm, and the lil "grow up" birdies come out to sing. Ive been reading thread after thread for many months about "poor casters"...well now casters have gotten several very helpful new tricks, and i just hope that's enuff to shut the buzz up for a bit. But plz, if i offend ur delicate sensibilities, continue to complain about how horrible life as a caster is (and powaqa, i have made many many chars, most over lvl 20 or thirty...usually just to explore the functions and functional build needs of each type...3 were casters. But, if it helps u to assume im just someone who doesnt have a working knowledge of -most- aspects of char building go right ahead...ill go watch a good movie.)

Originally Posted by Qiana

lol...yea...good show. awwww, poor casters...a lil sarcasm, and the lol "grow up" birdies come out to sing. Ive been reading thread after thread for many months about "poor casters"...well now casters have gotten several very helpful new tricks, and i just hope that's enuff to shut the buzz up for a bit. But plz, if i offend ur delicate sensibilities, continue to complain about how horrible life as a caster is (and powaqa, i have made many many chars, most over lvl 20 or thirty...usually just to explore the functions and functional build needs of each type...3 were casters. But, if it helps u to assume im just someone who doesnt have a working knowledge of -most- aspects of char building go right ahead...ill go watch a good movie.)

Casters don't get really good until end-game, when the 40+ and 60+ skills really start taking effect.

Please don't assume you know everything.

lol sherman, ok...ill try. That means a lot coming from someone ive seen making quips in virtually every thread ive ever seen. However, i -do- rlly think what casters truly need, is a lvl 60 skill to reduce enemy REZ (if only marginally)...cuz its fairly easy for a 65 with good gray to be looking at 70% rez to any one color (or a bit less on 2 colors)...and that frankly, just renders all else a caster can do impotent. Its so good to know their r so many "mature" and intelligent ppl, rdy to remind me how ignorant I am, however.

Originally Posted by Qiana

lol sherman, ok...ill try. That means a lot coming from someone ive seen making quips in virtually every thread ive ever seen. However, i -do- rlly think what casters truly need, is a lvl 60 skill to reduce enemy REZ (if only marginally)...cuz its fairly easy for a 65 with good gray to be looking at 70% rez to any one color (or a bit less on 2 colors)...and that frankly, just renders all else a caster can do impotent. Its so good to know their r so many "mature" and intelligent ppl, rdy to remind me how ignorant I am, however.

I will ignore your generalization of me.

I did not call you ignorant.

I merely stated that casters are at their best at the end-game. Something you have not leveled your alts to.

I see no reason why you would want to flame me when I am trying to be nice.

i wasnt "flaming" u sherman...i said "lol sherman, ok...ill try"...that was the only comment directed at u...and it followed ur "plz dont assume u know everything"...which, at best, is condecending. wow, everyone here is so touchy
(opps sry, i -did- say u post a lot, usually quips...and idk rlly what "flaming" means...but it sounds belligerent, and i was unaware that making statements about facts, like such was so mean. I'm sry, ill let everyone go back to finding other threads to utilize to make themselves feel witty now). have a wonderful day, all

[zenga]

Agreed, my caster ugolin should get a buff or two.

Originally Posted by Qiana

i wasnt "flaming" u sherman...i said "lol sherman, ok...ill try"...that was the only comment directed at u...and it followed ur "plz dont assume u know everything"...which, at best, is condecending. wow, everyone here is so touchy

It wasn't, there was the next sentence as well, and I believe the last sentence was meant for me as well.

Anyhow, I think casters should get at least one 20+ skill to level up, at least that way they have a chance to get better early on in the game. Not to mention, they have a slew of 75% spirit areas up to Skelly(I think) that would give them plenty of time to get such a skill up.

Maybe even give an extra epic stave or two to drop in-game.

[Smashbros]

ok i have to bite.

Qiana your an idiot. yes you offend me, mainly cause you cant speak in proper english.

in your post:

i have made many many chars, most over lvl 20 or thirty...usually just to explore the functions and functional build needs of each type...3 were casters.

hmmm sooo many casters. you must know everything there is about casting. please oo wise one enlighten us with your witty remarks and tell us how to better our characters.

The DoT patch was nice, too bad not all casters use DoT's otherwise it would be a univiersal buff for casters, but it was welcome and im sure alot of casters thank Jeff for it.

The new auras are welcome aswell, but once again not all casters have black magic, and a few casters just focus on 1 or 2 magic types so as to cut down on the amount of exp it is needed to raise skills, and black magic isnt 1 of them for some people. Yes i use black magic, i havent tried to auras yet, but will do when i get more gem slots, and when i can afford it after updating the rest of my pouch.

If you dont like reading the whining from casters about how we are weaker then all other classes then DONT OPEN THE THREADS ABOUT CASTERS SIMPLE.

I have an archer that uses DoTs to make up for lost DPS while using whips, especially in the lower levels.

Vamp/Archer/BM doesn't do that much damage in the beginning, and definitely not enough to be self supportive.

Because of this, I use DoTs to bring about more damage and stack it. However, once a hybrid can deal enough damage to be self supportive, the DoTs can be used for the little bit of extra DPS.

However, DoTs become less effective when compared to DDs at around 15+

Take that however you like.

[Lurkee]

Originally Posted by Coccyx

the runes arent worth **** as ive pointed out to you personaly but you chose to ignore, there is no reason an archer wouldnt use a DoT other than the fact DoTs are slow as hell (i think you forgot rogues also use DoTs but whatever), The auras do almost nothing unless your being hit in the triple digits or have a crazy high amount of black magic (34 for rank 2 that has a 5% transfer wtf?!), and we havent even seen the epic gems (need i remind you some epics are absolute crap ie the lady bug).

ill rip your arguments apart in greater detail later if you like.

lawl "rip your arguments apart"

I like how you think the DoT skills don't help casters much because as you say archers can also use DoT's... maybe in your ripping frenzy you forgot to read that the DoT skills are almost exclusively for STAFF users

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by sherman

I have an archer that uses DoTs to make up for lost DPS while using whips, especially in the lower levels.

Vamp/Archer/BM doesn't do that much damage in the beginning, and definitely not enough to be self supportive.

Because of this, I use DoTs to bring about more damage and stack it. However, once a hybrid can deal enough damage to be self supportive, the DoTs can be used for the little bit of extra DPS.

However, DoTs become less effective when compared to DDs at around 15+

Take that however you like.

i disagree.

i have a lvl 5 archer, who has lvled archery to lvl 11. he crits for over 77 damage at lvl 5.

my caster wasnt hitting that with a crit till i used the lvl 30 staff. or with magic (dd gems) till i was using rank 5-6 with a rank 4 flare up aura.

[Lurkee]

Let's base all class based balance assumptions on the amount of max damage certain classes do with level 11 skills....
Level them both to 70 then whine about being too stupid to properly play them. Don't use your noob characters to justify your stupid arguments.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Lurkee

Let's base all class based balance assumptions on the amount of max damage certain classes do with level 11 skills....
Level them both to 70 then whine about being too stupid to properly play them. Don't use your noob characters to justify your stupid arguments.

ok so if i base a character off of the cookie cutter build that is provided in here, and then can do that much damage straight away using lvl 11 skills. your saying that it will be worthless at lvl 70??

so please tell me what the point off having a cookie cutter build is?? yes i know it is to help noobs, but i wanted to try that class and see how strong they are compared to what i am used to, and the only other class ive used, which is a caster. (necro to be exact)

Originally Posted by Qiana

That's all? Just caster only runes, DOT skills (that r only worth a nickle if u have a staff, or have INT, which is only casters and archers, and archers r not likely to use DOTs), seriously nice black auras of several flavors (when all casters but angels and healers use black if they have any sense)? Oh wait! Epic gems in 2 weeks...ok that's better, i was afraid casters would still be "nerfed".

after you make your first char, a tutorial should help you understand the basics, but people in civil will be happy to answer any other questions you might have. it might seem a little dull at first, but you'll soon find yourself unable to quit. i look forward to seeing you in-game!

[Smashbros]

but he apperently has many many characters :|