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Old 07-01-2009, 09:18 PM   #1
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Please! this is ridiculous. I rushed to get to Birch Forest because it and Arena are one of the last decent combat trophy areas. I bought 5 TCs and I get a ton of spirits. All right fine, that is all fair. What is NOT fair and completely stupid is that my last TCs consists of 26 Leafy MAntis' which are 100% spirit trophies, plus one random boss. Thanks.

Don't look for me to purchase anymore TCs with cash until this is changed or at least addressed.

26 in a row. That is not random.
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:27 PM   #2
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ok after waiting in town, after being upset, two more to make it 28 in a row before the streak was broken. And yes i moved around.

Also, i counted back to 26, it might have been more that is simply how far the chat went back to.

I understand the need for this little twist in the beginning levels to keep lower level players on a mob until they level. But for higher level areas? It makes me feel like Glitchless thinks higher level players need kid gloves also.

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:09 PM   #3
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:43 PM   #4
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Roggork Hills = 100% combats

quit *****ing and deal with it. if you don't like your odds of trophies log off and wait till reset, its not like your tc's are gonna wither and disapear...
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Old 07-02-2009, 06:12 AM   #5
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Burning a full TC and not receiving 1 combat on a 50-50 zone is what I'm talking about. if it were simply RRT then fine. But I wasted my money and won't be bitten again. Pretty simple.
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Ah well last 2 days I've wasted 5 tc's while I expected an epic drop in a lvl 80 zone. It resulted in me getting tired of it, moved to canopy for easy kills and possible 67 gear, and i ended up with a bloody 72 shield drop. That is part of the game, the other time i got an epic 81 slasher within a fight or 10.

In the end luck/bad luck evens out. 30 fights is just not enough to make any conclusions.
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Old 07-02-2009, 03:51 PM   #7
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Sounds like you are looking for a reason to stop buying TCs.

Instead of whining about a little trophy drop, think of the positives.

You could use those excess trophies to make some money and buy more TCs.

You could use that time to become more mature.

You could use that time between fights to dry your eyes and quit crying.

You could also think about living in your mom's basement if you don't think it's fair and the world is out to get you.
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Old 07-02-2009, 04:09 PM   #8
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Well Sherman, for your info, I really like this game. Compared to other games, and there are many that I've tried, Nod has the deepest character development.

Now with that in mind, I spend money for enjoyment. Not for frustration. The combat zones are few and far between at my lvl (both Dungeon of Rot and Snow forest are 100% spirit), so I rush to a zone with better combats. With the well intended plan on slowing down for a bit in Birch and then staying in Arena until my combat levels catch up with my character level.

If I knew that there was a chance that this would happen, I would not purchase TCs (except for Skelly Coast and Roggork Hills). Now that I know, I will not purchase them except for when the "randomness" is not a factor.

If this happened when i was just playing, who cares. But I purchased TCs. And wasted the money spent. period. My money, my opinion.

Still plan on buying TCs with in game gold, as I still like this game. But, once again, until this is changed or addressed no more cash for TCs.

I would even except this: "The randomness is working exactly as intended, we want people to slow down on their development and frustrate them a bit so occasionally it gives them something to talk about."

At least then we would know what to expect from our purchases.
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:06 PM   #9
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Its 50/50...50% spirit 50% combats.

Even in 75% combat zones I find myself with more spirits than combats...its how the game works. Just level **** other than Melee/Defense etc till you get your skills up to par. Besides, gems are useful too.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:53 PM   #10
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...or you can sell the TCs (If un-SB) for 88k+, get the resins from T5, and make 206 high exp combat trophies.
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:08 PM   #11
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Let me know next time this happens to you. I'll help you out by trading you your Spirit trophies for my Combat trophies at a 2:1 xp ratio. =D
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Let me know next time this happens to you. I'll help you out by trading you your Spirit trophies for my Combat trophies at a 2:1 xp ratio. =D
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please! This is ridiculous. I rushed to get to birch forest because it and arena are one of the last decent combat trophy areas. I bought 5 tcs and i get a ton of spirits. All right fine, that is all fair. What is not fair and completely stupid is that my last tcs consists of 26 leafy mantis' which are 100% spirit trophies, plus one random boss. Thanks.

Don't look for me to purchase anymore tcs with cash until this is changed or at least addressed.

26 in a row. That is not random.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:12 PM   #14
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Please! this is ridiculous. I rushed to get to Birch Forest because it and Arena are one of the last decent combat trophy areas. I bought 5 TCs and I get a ton of spirits. All right fine, that is all fair. What is NOT fair and completely stupid is that my last TCs consists of 26 Leafy MAntis' which are 100% spirit trophies, plus one random boss. Thanks.

Don't look for me to purchase anymore TCs with cash until this is changed or at least addressed.

26 in a row. That is not random.





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Old 07-17-2009, 11:44 AM   #15
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What most people fail to understand about percentages is it is per move or battle not total. If you have 50% Gray avoidance that doesn't mean you will only hit 5 of 10 creatures. It means you have a 50% chance of avoiding a creature in THAT square at that time which obviously means you have a 50% chance OF hitting a creature. Same goes for stats, mobs, etc. Oh one more thing, the percentage of trophies refers only to the types of trophies, not drop rates. Thank you very much, come again
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:59 AM   #16
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Stang hits the nail on the head. It is perfectly possible to flip a coin and have it come up tails 30 or even 100 times in a row.
Ejohns, my bet is if Jeff decides to respond here, he will tell you that the randomizer is working as intended.
Large annoying slow-loading pictures aside (I need a faster comp...) this thread addresses an important issue. Best thing to do is just play and kill lots of stuff.
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Old 07-17-2009, 12:23 PM   #17
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Well Jeff, there have been quite a few threads complaining about the randomness of mobs. Perhaps it would be in your best interest to use new random number generators. just a thought.
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Old 07-17-2009, 03:00 PM   #18
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There's nothing wrong with the randomness IMO. It's not fair, balanced, or systematic, but RANDOM. Nor is it random per player, square, zone, or anything else, but game wide. That means with millions of random numbers being generated for the game each day, there are bound to be people who get streaks. Especially since there's only a couple possibilites for any given area. Enjoy (or not), that's just how it is.
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There's nothing wrong with the randomness IMO. It's not fair, balanced, or systematic, but RANDOM. Nor is it random per player, square, zone, or anything else, but game wide. That means with millions of random numbers being generated for the game each day, there are bound to be people who get streaks. Especially since there's only a couple possibilites for any given area. Enjoy (or not), that's just how it is.
Go take a statistics course and you'll understand. random IS balanced. it IS fair. and to the best of our human capabilities, it IS systematic because we use pseudorandom numbers. I'm not a programmer so I dont know if this is a easy or difficult task to do but is it is simple, plz do it jeff.


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Old 07-17-2009, 05:22 PM   #20
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Yes, I'm a both math major and computer science major. Thank you very much for insulting my intelligence. Perhaps I should have been more clear by adding: "in the short term". Also, keep in mind that there could be 8000 (give or take, going by forum registration) other members playing at the same time as you, so an *individual player* might not see a balanced picture. And I was trying not to get into the technical aspect of numbers being pseudo-random as it generally doesn't affect this kind application, but thanks for bringing it up.
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