Virtues

Hello I just found an epic helm wich I am trying to move to my storage box, sell to a store or even auction off. It will not let me do any of these things, it is an item I am not going to be using so I dont understand why I need to purchase the virtues for the item in order to be able to sell it off. Can someone please explain this to me why should I have to spend money just to sell off an item?

[Astor]

Just that way. Epic items are the Best of the Best , More Leet than the Leet. Can't get anything better at a lower level than the epic item.

Plus each virtue s +1% all experience gains. Buy all 30 Virtues and ta da 30% more exp gains in everything.. Big difference getting 100k Exp a fight or a 130k experience a fight.

It's a way for Jeff to get paid. If you don't like that idea, then destroy it- that's all you can do.

But you could get about 30k gold for that, or better yet, use it.

Make good choices.

[Sporky]

yeah...if you didnt notice when you first started playing, this game is is based on the addiction => money concept. if you're not familiar, let me explain.

-getting started takes very little effort.
-character creation is free, easy, and somewhat fun
-no asking for any personal info until you played for 1 hour

at this point, you may (or may not) be developing interest in the game, they take your info and give you 3 free hours of playtime - "yippie!" (very similar to a drug dealer handing out free samples to possible clients)

-as you progress, they ask for small amounts of cash at first, and the longer you play, the more time you have invested in the game. many people will spend more money the longer they have played. expect to pay about $300 for 1 year of play if you have the desire to level quickly and be more powerful than your peers.

this is being tested in other games as we speak and this cash concept will likely dominate the genre within the next 10 years.

Thank you all for your responses. I for one am not against the creator getting paid. The cash concept game is in just about all of the online games I play this was just the first time I have encountered one where I had to purchace them to be able to sell an item like that.

[zenga]

Same principal can be applied to many aspects of the economy, albeit in different ways.
- A great show on tv, with every 5 minutes commercial breaks
- The way goods are sorted including on what height in a supermarket
- All the collection cards (in Europe pannini)
- Toys (barbie, playmobil, tarzans, ...)
- All kinds of merchandising from artists, cartoons, etc

Hell even a quality magazine like Time tried it with me several years ago. A free 2 month subscription. Without any obligations. Fine with me. After 2 months they start to send me bills, and as soon as I would pay one it'd means I was stuck for 2 years. Which I didn't of course. But imagine how many people were tricked in that way.

It's the economy many admire: a customer doesn't make his own choices if he is blind and falls into money traps. I'm paranoid for that and want to decide myself where I spend money. But many don't. Nodiatis is worth the money for me, so I have no probs with it.

My point being: many say nod is a money shark. It's well marketed, but it's not different than many other things. So it's hypocritical to blame nod and not the other companies you spend money on without realizing (like many tend to do).

[Sapreaver]

Yay Economics 101 :P

[God Stomper]

The thing I like about Jeff is that he creates ways for you to actually never pay. It takes a helluva lot longer to do, but you can accomplish just about anything (maybe anything; I'm not far enough into the game) without paying a single penny. Real-money purchases can also be bought via game gold. You make enough gold, and you don't have to spend any money on this game. It just takes much longer to get to that point.

Originally Posted by God Stomper

The thing I like about Jeff is that he creates ways for you to actually never pay. It takes a helluva lot longer to do, but you can accomplish just about anything (maybe anything; I'm not far enough into the game) without paying a single penny. Real-money purchases can also be bought via game gold. You make enough gold, and you don't have to spend any money on this game. It just takes much longer to get to that point.

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This game works in a repetitive pattern. For every two monster types, there is a boss. There a low lvl monster, A low level+1=higher lvl monster, and a low lvl+2=Nigher than the HIgh level monster BOSS.

This goes on and on in a repetitive pattern all the way up to the max lvl implemented.
You get item, you kill monster, you lvl up skillz, to get better items to kills higher lvl monsters. etc.

WTF happens when every body is max lvl with max skillz and with -1000$ in their bank account ?

I tell yah what happens ! Jeff buys a villa, and will probably star working on something else to get your money.

It's not that i deslike this whole idea, even if it's wicked, but the thing is, what happens at the end ? Will nodiatis perish to make room for antother game ?

There has to be some sort of high end, content.

For instance in wow, there are the 2 warring faction. You lvl up, get better weapons, to lvl up faster, to get better weapons, to lvl up, so you reach the cap, then you do instances, to get better items, and do some more instance to enhance those better items, so one so forth, until you have an uber gear.

What do you do with that ubber gear ?
You go and smak the heads of the members of the opposite faction, the point in which the games becomes less of a rpg and more of a unreal tournament episode.

At least there 's a purpose to all that lvl-in and all that item collecting and enahncing. THe same purpose why people play 3d shoters killing themselves.

Probably that's why jeff says the best is yet to come.
All has to have a purpose, otherwise, WHF are we lvling for ? For the ocasional PK ? That's bollocks !

The thing I really enjoy about this game is

1) I can play it from work.

2) It has some real time like graphics to it.

3) It is with other people in the world (which has been different from other games I've played).

4) There's an actual game world you can see... not some go into this door/zone type thing.

I am going to be getting my first set of timecards so I can become non-N because I am really enjoying it. I see great potential in this game. I'm looking forward to seeing what more is to come.

I have no issues w/ how the pay style is setup. I think its a rather clever way of doing it.

I'll play advocate for the opposition:

For a certain segment of the gaming population, Nodiatis may seem like a deal.

I'm an old guy, and have been around the block. With regard to MMORPGs, I've spent years playing Asheron's Call, Dark Age of Camelot, Horizons, Vanguard, and City of Heroes/Villains. (And several others that didn't last long.)

For the mainstream games, you plunk down your $15/month, and you can play 24/7, and have access to all the features that your toon's level allows. Moreover, in virtually all those games, ownership of ONE account allows access to all features, all the time, for multiple toons. As an example, in CoH/CoV atm, I have over 20 active toons, 2 of which are at the max level 50.

In Asheron's Call there are HUNDREDS of dungeons that you adventure through... mapping... looting... solo or team. I spent 3 years exploring the world of Dereth, and never saw anything close to all.

Nodiatis is a fool's money sink. I've only gotten a number of toons here up to around level 8, and my highest hit the "Moss Dungeon" just once and died. They were too low level, but I wanted to see what was on that square. As near as I can tell, it's just a square on the map, unless I'm mistaken. (Is there an actual dungeon there that you can enter, and explore?)

I play Nodiatis, having found it a few weeks ago, just because I like exploring new things. But when I had my first and only Epic Drop a few days ago, and discovered that I had to pay $10 to buy virtues to equip it, store it, sell it, decon it... well, I wasn't amused. So I destroyed it, and moved on. Kind of like getting sucker-punched by the neighborhood bully. Get up, and move on...

At the least, either a paid subscription should provide unlimited play, or shut the servers down. And a paid subscription should allow multiple toons of a reasonable amount. 3? 5? 10? Whatever. I'll NEVER allow someone other than the government to nickel and dime me to death.. ;p $5 for an hour per day of play for ONE toon is the ultimate in arrogance for such a one-dimensional browser game, however nicely implemented.

The danger is, that young players can get sucked in without understanding fully what they're doing. I liked the earlier poster's analogy to a drug dealer. Very apt.

That said, no flames please. One can only put a thing into perspective when you're had the opportunity to compare it to a multitude of other things. If you've played the games I've mentioned above, or WoW, Ultima Online, Lord of the Rings Online, etc... THEN I'd be delighted to hear why you'd plunk down your money here for a Premium Account, buy Virtues, etc.

Respectfully,
Troubador.

[Glitchless]

Yes you can enter the moss dungeon. Dungeons have multiple levels with new creatures and bosses on each level.

Paying for virtues for items may come as a shock for those used to the traditional box+subscription MMO payment method. Expect it to become more popular as more MMO's are no longer able to justify a box purchase for a game that is downloaded rather than bought at a store and they'll need avenues to offset those costs. Our virtue method is a nice way to do it since the virtues are permanent, used for multiple items, and they give you experience bonuses. Plus their optional and can be bought 1 at a time to prevent the necessity of spending big chunks of money at once.

Much of our player base comes from the big 3D MMO's. Nodiatis offers a completely different type of community and strategy compared to the common 3D games. With a focus on solo or small group content and a unique magic system more similar to table top card games, Nodiatis is simply something different.

All for-profit MMO's are somewhat addictive money sinks. It comes down to whether or not the money spent per hour is worth the entertainment. Going to a theatre costs about $10 bucks, lasts 2 hours, and you often find yourself checking your watch wishing you were doing something else. In Nodiatis you check your watch hoping you don't run out of time.

[Hopilus]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

It comes down to whether or not the money spent per hour is worth the entertainment. Going to a theatre costs about $10 bucks, lasts 2 hours, and you often find yourself checking your watch wishing you were doing something else. In Nodiatis you check your watch hoping you don't run out of time.

that made me giggle. mainly because of how true it is...

[Sapreaver]

Originally Posted by Bytales

This game works in a repetitive pattern. For every two monster types, there is a boss. There a low lvl monster, A low level+1=higher lvl monster, and a low lvl+2=Nigher than the HIgh level monster BOSS.

This goes on and on in a repetitive pattern all the way up to the max lvl implemented.
You get item, you kill monster, you lvl up skillz, to get better items to kills higher lvl monsters. etc.

WTF happens when every body is max lvl with max skillz and with -1000$ in their bank account ?

I tell yah what happens ! Jeff buys a villa, and will probably star working on something else to get your money.

It's not that i deslike this whole idea, even if it's wicked, but the thing is, what happens at the end ? Will nodiatis perish to make room for antother game ?

There has to be some sort of high end, content.

For instance in wow, there are the 2 warring faction. You lvl up, get better weapons, to lvl up faster, to get better weapons, to lvl up, so you reach the cap, then you do instances, to get better items, and do some more instance to enhance those better items, so one so forth, until you have an uber gear.

What do you do with that ubber gear ?
You go and smak the heads of the members of the opposite faction, the point in which the games becomes less of a rpg and more of a unreal tournament episode.

At least there 's a purpose to all that lvl-in and all that item collecting and enahncing. THe same purpose why people play 3d shoters killing themselves.

Probably that's why jeff says the best is yet to come.
All has to have a purpose, otherwise, WHF are we lvling for ? For the ocasional PK ? That's bollocks !

There is going to be real money tourneys oin the future, thats what Jeff does, if you want an excellant example go to Race War Kingdoms Free Online RPG - No Downloads Required every month someone wins a computer mind that you can only win once every 12 months but it is still a new computer