An Appeal For Justice
Old 01-13-2009, 12:24 AM   #1
Auction Master
 
Valiumandritalin's Avatar
 
Valiumandritalin is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Iceland
Posts: 1,017
Default An Appeal For Justice

As, well not everyone, but a large part of the active playerbase knows, I got killed by Nymm while I was attempting to redeem myself. Now, the events went as such:

It all started with me walking around, occasionally sending Death Match challenges to people there I knew and other people whom I didn't know at all. At this point it's shaping up pretty much like Cinnamon's back in the days, when he got banned after permanently killing a player in a Death Match. He said to him that he wouldn't lose Learning Skills, tried it on more players and got banned. Back then it was a fuzzy area, soon made quite sharp as you said in your post, you would not have helped a person who accepted a DM from me, which comes with invitation and warning and being named Death Match pretty much made sure I didn't get accepted, which was great luck in retrospect. But the order of events when whatever it was, happened, makes no sense.

Then as it happened, still walking around I get the message: "You've permanently crossed.." and I flash red.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valiumandritalin
I've got a situation.

My character became a PK'er out of thin air.

I sent you a PM.

Now, I've gone PK a few times before, each time a decision made then executed. Of course I died all the times I didn't re-roll, got mad, upset, sad, angry, paranoid, et cetera. But I always reached the following conclusion: That's a risk I knew of beforehand. But this was vastly different, usually I set to stalking, waiting until I would suddenly start the battle and do what I did. This time I simply stood there, flashing, just having seen the message saying I was now a PK'er, not having Forced Combat, seen the supposed prey, hadn't attacked it, received a kill message. None of the usual signs telling people they just willingly and deliberately attacked someone. Not knowing what was happening I went onto my other account, then I was told Vengeful was a PK'er. He couldn't be contacted. Now, you said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glitchless
You were offering numerous uninvited deathmatch requests to random people hoping one of them would unwittingly or accidentally accept - so many that you accidentally forced combat on one of them turning you into a PK and giving you the stalking message. The person you were stalking lost their fight and died or escaped combat leaving you all by your lonesome and flashing red. That sucks. In the sake of fairness since there would be no special undoing of someone accidentally accepting one of your random deathmatch requests there will not be one for you either.
Now, I hope you can see the difference. Reading this, the suggestion I kill him, bothered me. It took me a couple of minutes to realize I had already gated into town, hence cleaning me of any battle participation. Now, then you suggested/explained the NPC-Mob may have killed the man or he escaped from the NPC-Mob and that leads me here:

Isn't it now clearer how unfair it is I get the entire blame for 1) the ensuing events 2) I become a Player-Killer who didn't attack another player or even knowingly Force Attack on him, yet I'm labeled as one and must pay the price.

I even lost the SB-TC's I had bought earlier that day when that happened and that's not created virtual currency, it's what you and I live on.

Now throughout since right after Beta I've had 3-4 paid characters. That is 4x accelerator / 3x 4 month prem. / 1x 4 month prem. / 1x virtue pack / 3x ~10 solo virtues [30x5$]. As if this wasn't quite a lot, I have 2-3 hotmail folders with receipts from 5$ - 40$.

That's how much I've paid for a hardcore PvP game who has changed so significantly. I still stayed and now I've pointlessly and unresonably lost TC's I had just bought but more importantly, everything he built and gathered spending his time on that game, was taken away.

For clicking 3 millimeters too high.

I stress, this is not a demand but a plea.

I realize this has never happened before here on Nod, but evidence speak clearly:

1. I got into town instantly after I began flashing, that seems like a possible flaw.

2. No killing message or anything of the sort.

3. I took the blame for either: a) something someone else did / b) something that didn't really happen.

4. First thing I do is go into town, contact you and supply with the details of what just happened.

Nymm, the man who PKK'd me today when attempting a redemption already gave the items back after hearing how the situation was. But those items don't fit a character of lvl. 8.

I don't demand, I'm not threatening anything at all. I simply want to put this out here, I really do believe I did not deserve my fate and hence that I am entitled, not to compensation but restoration of stats and skills.

The people tend to agree with me, becoming a PK'er and losing everything because of suspicious circumstances like this is not what the law is meant for.

With this last addition, I leave this up to you.
__________________
I am God, I am Techno Viking.

Last edited by Valiumandritalin; 01-13-2009 at 02:13 AM..
 

Old 01-13-2009, 12:30 AM   #2
Ives
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Venge, did u get back your tcs?
 

Old 01-13-2009, 12:31 AM   #3
Auction Master
 
Valiumandritalin's Avatar
 
Valiumandritalin is offline
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Iceland
Posts: 1,017
Default

No, this is the formal appeal for restitution of lost monetary [real currency] items and that what I had accomplished and trained be restored.
__________________
I am God, I am Techno Viking.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 12:44 AM   #4
Epic Scholar
 
zenga's Avatar
 
zenga is offline
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somewhere in Belgium
Posts: 2,085
Send a message via MSN to zenga
Default

To prevent people *abusing* the dm function there should be clear rules. And - unless i've missed them - they are nowhere to be found. A bit harsh that _without having clear rules_ someone gets punished so hard.

Being a paid customer doesn't give you more rights than a non paying one, but for sure it's worth a second look/opinion and review the things.

On a sidenote:
accepting deathmatches & turning pk should be password protected, so if you click wrong by accident you don't click yes/accept without reading/being confused. A 3tier security wouldn't be bad for this and from my experience with webprojects not too much work.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 12:56 AM   #5
Ives
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I totally agree with Zenga on the rules bit.

A moderator cannot and should not enforce a rule that was not listed (can't find it as Zenga mentioned). Even if the moderatory felt it was abuse, as long as the rules did not address the issue at all and the player was not exploiting a bug, then it can't be constituted as an abuse.

In any case, such a harsh penalty on something the game developer overlooked is unfair. And one really should be rewarding, not punishing, the player who found a strange loophole in the program.

My two cents anyway.
 

Appeal for justice
Old 01-13-2009, 01:38 AM   #6
Temporarily Suspended
 
Relic's Avatar
 
Relic is offline
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Plumbing the depths of hatreds womb, scaling destructions breast.
Posts: 2,383
Default Appeal for justice

I am here to support Valium's cause,

what happened was wrong, and to be honest, is not right at all.

really needs to be checked into further, and i agree with zenga 100%
 

Old 01-13-2009, 02:18 AM   #7
Jon
Temporarily Suspended
 
Jon is offline
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Beneath these waves
Posts: 1,104
Default

Further investigation is required, yes.

Why?

Simply due to Vengeful's 'experience' as a pker, with Ritalin, Cocaine, Epicwolf, and Vengeful.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 02:50 AM   #8
Decker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

well I'm here to support Jeff.
you offered DM's, if someone accidentally accepted they would befall the fate of perm death and would in no way shape or form would get there stuff restored due to the fact that they would have to accept the DM therefore creating a binding agreement to the terms of a DM.

you accidentally FC and accepted therefore creating a binding agreement to the terms of turning PK. why should you get your stuff restored?

I am curios how you got to town right away though.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 02:58 AM   #9
Decker
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
To prevent people *abusing* the dm function there should be clear rules. And - unless i've missed them - they are nowhere to be found. A bit harsh that _without having clear rules_ someone gets punished so hard.

Being a paid customer doesn't give you more rights than a non paying one, but for sure it's worth a second look/opinion and review the things.

On a sidenote:
accepting deathmatches & turning pk should be password protected, so if you click wrong by accident you don't click yes/accept without reading/being confused. A 3tier security wouldn't be bad for this and from my experience with webprojects not too much work.
Jeff has already said that sending a DM and someone accepting even if by accident or not fully understanding it is there fault, misleading one to accept a DM is something entirly different and action will be taken.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 03:31 AM   #10
Ives
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

That's why i thought that it can't be a forced combat that he clicked - which would make him a pk'er - since if it were, he should not be able to immediately get back to town.

It's confusing at best. Buggy at worst.

And this "bug" proves that there is something wrong with the system, which hence means that the punishment given isn't reasonable unless a suitable and satisfactory explanation to the above is first given.
 

Old 01-13-2009, 03:36 AM   #11
Administrator
 
Glitchless's Avatar
 
Glitchless is offline
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,569
Default

Can you imagine the lawlfest you and your friends would be having if the guy you were offering deathmatches to had accidentally hit yes while trying to click something else and you got all his items and some time cards? He wouldn't get any special treatment; you're not getting any special treatment.

Edit:
You become a PK when you begin to stalk someone but you don't get the 1 hour log off and gate delay until combat actually starts. Combat never started because the guy died or escaped while being stalked. There were no errors logged on the system or any unexplainable phenomena.
__________________
Computing the probability that at least one of the following events will occur:
P(a or b ... or z) = 1 - P(!a and !b ... and !z)
Probability
 
Closed Thread



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:32 PM
Boards live since 05-21-2008