not to be the bad guy but.. nah actually.. being the bad guy is the goal

[Blaze]

man. the amount of hate i'm getting for this report. nice to see how much nod would rather abuse something than have it be fixed. i wonder if this is how nibbles felt after bm fix report

[Darklords]

*Hands tissue* everything will be alright...

[Turkeygoesmoo]

This isn't some 'I'm saving the game' bug report.

This is a report from someone who is anally frustrated that he can't farm as much gold as people using this method. This method is what helps people stuck in the rut known as 'not capped' by making mid tier resources worth more than 'trash'.

Personally, this was not breaking the game before, and it would not afterwards, simply based on the time taken to accrue the items to craft the gems.

This isn't nearly on the same level as Nibbles or PooPooface and their reports.
This is more on the level of Faithfulservant crying to change the trophy ratio in a zone.

[NoRemorse]

the time needed to make items has been greatly reduced thanks to recipe loader and crafting memory , so if you use rrt for crafting ( not having grinder) makes up for a lot and more , just the townwalking and resourcing would have been using some additional rrt without this , with it and being low-level to mid level player would cause these levels to gain more gold than a capped and fully lg player using the same rrt , go make 100+ items the old-fashioned way per week ( every week i mean lietrally) and compare it to be done daily now which was next to impossible and then the profit.


King great catch on it , Glitch good response to it.

My 2 cents on the subject as slightly experienced crafter. ( btw i have not used this to gain anything although i saw it happening )

[Soxson]

Originally Posted by Turkeygoesmoo

This isn't some 'I'm saving the game' bug report.

This is a report from someone who is anally frustrated that he can't farm as much gold as people using this method. This method is what helps people stuck in the rut known as 'not capped' by making mid tier resources worth more than 'trash'.

Personally, this was not breaking the game before, and it would not afterwards, simply based on the time taken to accrue the items to craft the gems.

This isn't nearly on the same level as Nibbles or PooPooface and their reports.
This is more on the level of Faithfulservant crying to change the trophy ratio in a zone.

You're the one anally frustrated that you can't make gold at all by actually farming, like everyone else did, and that you had to resort to a now impossible, unethical way to make gold. Glitch had intended for people to make gold by farming, resourcing and selling stuff to players, not making gold by exploiting a oversight.

[Turkeygoesmoo]

Unethical?
If crafting and selling to store is unethical, then Glitch should just change the STS price of every item to 1 gold.

[NoRemorse]

the der gem was the only gem you could make such a profit on , on the others ... no way , it does not fit in with Nodiatis apperantly and Glitch agreed otherwise he would not have bothered to change it

[Turkeygoesmoo]

You do realize that the profit of it is based on player made resource costs?
So does that mean that every epic with such a high STS price compared to the player-made cost of resources, is going to get it's value slashed?
Seems like a bad idea.

[NoRemorse]

if you do not do it tcs will be 50M ( goldcap ) did you ever think about that ? that would not scale with store bought lg's

[Turkeygoesmoo]

Originally Posted by NoRemorse

if you do not do it tcs will be 50M ( goldcap ) did you ever think about that ? that would not scale with store bought lg's

I'm curious, can you put the step-by-step thought process on your claim?

[Blaze]

nod has a number of caps. the number who can make a tc per day in rrt..50 or less.
if every low level can earn a tc per day..or two..or three.. how many tcs is that between 200 people doing it? supply vs demand. if literally everyone can afford as many tcs as they care to buy... look at auction house. there's already a severe lack of tcs. 90% of the time there are 0 up aside from a troll tc or two. if the demand increases further with no supply increase..prices rise. they wouldn't really go to 50m. they'd depend on what players can make. but 5m a day making gems... that's quite a bit of income to buy crap with.


and to go to your post...


This is a report from someone who is anally frustrated that he can't farm as much gold as people using this method. This method is what helps people stuck in the rut known as 'not capped' by making mid tier resources worth more than 'trash'.


dude. do you really mean to say.. a level 40...with 50k invested into his setup... deserves to make more gold than someone with a 300 million gold setup? we're bypassing the 200m setups of an average build. my build is one of the best pve builds and it costs about 300m. yet... some silly real life time..that any loser has... should make more than what took months to farm?

this is like saying "glitch i'll dedicate my body and soul to nod. pay me so i'm richer than any other player."

just because you don't have a life what makes you deserve to make more gold than people who have been improving their pve setups for years? (not talking about myself for that one. there are pve farmers in nod besides me who have been trying to become the best that they can be)

low level is tough. lack of money. we've all been there (yes even me. despite what people would lead you to believe i was cap before i got alas). it's part of the game. it's been geared towards high end players for years.

to go by your "simply taken by the time to acquire the items" you're low level right? you don't got accel/da? maybe it takes YOU a while to acquire mats for 500 gems. but the caps who were also abusing it? they could get the mats for 500 in a couple hours. the longest part is walking from ust/t4 to t2. or vice versa.

beyond that...



piss off m8 :{

[Turkeygoesmoo]

Originally Posted by King

nod has a number of caps. the number who can make a tc per day in rrt..50 or less.
if every low level can earn a tc per day..or two..or three.. how many tcs is that between 200 people doing it? supply vs demand. if literally everyone can afford as many tcs as they care to buy... look at auction house. there's already a severe lack of tcs. 90% of the time there are 0 up aside from a troll tc or two. if the demand increases further with no supply increase..prices rise. they wouldn't really go to 50m. they'd depend on what players can make. but 5m a day making gems... that's quite a bit of income to buy crap with.


and to go to your post...


This is a report from someone who is anally frustrated that he can't farm as much gold as people using this method. This method is what helps people stuck in the rut known as 'not capped' by making mid tier resources worth more than 'trash'.


dude. do you really mean to say.. a level 40...with 50k invested into his setup... deserves to make more gold than someone with a 300 million gold setup? we're bypassing the 200m setups of an average build. my build is one of the best pve builds and it costs about 300m. yet... some silly real life time..that any loser has... should make more than what took months to farm?

this is like saying "glitch i'll dedicate my body and soul to nod. pay me so i'm richer than any other player."

just because you don't have a life what makes you deserve to make more gold than people who have been improving their pve setups for years? (not talking about myself for that one. there are pve farmers in nod besides me who have been trying to become the best that they can be)

low level is tough. lack of money. we've all been there (yes even me. despite what people would lead you to believe i was cap before i got alas). it's part of the game. it's been geared towards high end players for years.

to go by your "simply taken by the time to acquire the items" you're low level right? you don't got accel/da? maybe it takes YOU a while to acquire mats for 500 gems. but the caps who were also abusing it? they could get the mats for 500 in a couple hours. the longest part is walking from ust/t4 to t2. or vice versa.

beyond that...



piss off m8 :{

Yes, if I make a smarter choice than the crowd followers, I do deserve to make more gold. But like I said, it was not that it was 'breaking the game', it's that you were jealous of the gem crafters, and then reported the 'exploit' after you made your 6mil or so gold abusing it.

If this was really about STS price exploitation, you would be pursuing the lowering of STS for ALL items, as there are definitely other epics with a low craft cost, based on materials needed, and a relatively high STS price.

So if you want to actually make this about an exploit, and not your jealous nerd-rage, then go after epic bows, quivers, and a few other epic items.

[Darklords]

Originally Posted by King

1-nod has a number of caps. the number who can make a tc per day in rrt..

2-how many tcs is that between 200 people doing it?

3-supply vs demand. if literally everyone can afford as many tcs as they care to buy... look at auction house.


4-my build is one of the best pve builds and it costs about 300m. yet... some silly real life time..that any loser has... should make more than what took months to farm?

5-this is like saying "glitch i'll dedicate my body and soul to nod. pay me so i'm richer than any other player."

6-just because you don't have a life what makes you deserve to make more gold than people who have been improving their pve setups for years? (not talking about myself for that one. there are pve farmers in nod besides me who have been trying to become the best that they can be)

7-low level is tough. lack of money. we've all been there (yes even me. despite what people would lead you to believe i was cap before i got alas). it's part of the game. it's been geared towards high end players for years.






piss off m8 :{

step 1. most of nod capped toons could easily farm 500k from 3 hours rrt with prem.

step 2. thats 3 - 4 tcs at current tc market weekly.

step 3. there is a higher demand than supply due to most of the player base gaining the ability to farm enough gold there is no need to bliss.
Which also leads back to me ranting about toon sharing some more which i wont get into, will just say it like this people who have quit the game for w/e reason toons should not be exploited giving an account premmy for 10 days is 5m. if farming 500k daily x by 4 - 10 toon who know how many these shares have got these days is a major drain on tcs as they aint blissing cause can support them selves with ingame gold.

step 4. how much of that pve build is ur actual toon u created? just saying...

step 5. do i qualify for this?

step 6. sorry i think there should be some way for low lvl guys to progress with gold and the such without having to rush to cap to then beg for pl's and the such while trying to keep up with the people who have amassed 50b + boon and know how to build a toon. part of nod is trail and error not rush to cap and then endlessly grind. are tcs to much for a lvl 20 - 70 to gain from farming yes. should there be a way for them to make enough to support face yes there should be...

Step 7. MAYBE ITS TIME TO EMBRACE LOW LVLS AND HELP THEM WITHOUT THEM NOD IS GONNA DIE!!!!

[Brick]

I feel like a lot of you guys have some personal vendetta against Blaze, rather than the change itself.

If you're unable to see how unhealthy elements like this are to the game, then you're an idiot.

As Nore and others have already stated, giving everyone in the game access to a method that can help generate 7mil fresh gold within a day, is obviously going to artificially inflate ALL in game prices. We luckily didn't really see any repercussions of this, pretty much entirely as it was such a niche trick, that only a selective few knew about.

You can continue to flame and hate on people reporting things like this, but it'd be nice if you'd stand back and actually think for a few.

[Brick]

Can we stop this low level fallacy too.

It was only caps that abused this.

If all low levels made 2mil on their first day, what do you honestly think would happen to tc prices?

[Darklords]

Low lvls are a part of nod. half the faces in chat these day are lvl 20 - 80 Ns maybe if you see that, you would understand where some of us are coming from. im just saying it could have been used by low lvls to progress, as blaze stated a few times it seems only caps were using it, but how can u be sure?

There needs to be a path where new people can progress and get to where we are at, this is suppost to be a free mmo. i cant see any toon actually getting from lvl 1 - cap nao and be able to gain virts and the such without dropping a dime

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by Turkeygoesmoo

If this was really about STS price exploitation, you would be pursuing the lowering of STS for ALL items, as there are definitely other epics with a low craft cost, based on materials needed, and a relatively high STS price.

So if you want to actually make this about an exploit, and not your jealous nerd-rage, then go after epic bows, quivers, and a few other epic items.

so. since that's how he feels..

39 epic bow. Cost: 159,360 Resell: 79,680
1500 1 Craw Leaf Dye (T14)
2000 1 Camel Cloth (T14)
4800 2 Sky Purge Dust (T14)

8500 4 Amber Sealed Plank (T13)
4400 44 Rotten Plank (T1)
4000 4 Thick Hairy Sinew (T12)
4400 44 Diseased Sinew (T1)
50160 12 Afar Resin (T19)
2440 4 Alchemar Resin (T15)
82200 total (current auction house mats)

if you just get resins however it comes to 52600.

so this is a question for glitch. wanna fix all epics that resins are below craft for easy to acquire mats?
the 25 bow has higher resin cost than sts value. 58 bow mats get too hard to get yourself really. and costs more than craft price to buy mats by a 20k.

imo if you can't buy the mats on auction house and craft the item still below sts value it's fine. if someone puts the effort in resourcing the mats themselves..more power to them. they won't be mass producing items. they'll be getting items at their own pace. and selling for small profit.



that's the big difference between these two. deriniums CAN*** be mass produced by buying mats off auction house. while other items you need to work hard yourself. on a good day you'll make maybe 2-3? so 90k tops? that's fine to me.



as a closing argument since unless glitch posts in this thread himself i'm not bothering with it again..
several people have defended deriniums with the "Crafting should be profitable". indeed. but can you really justify level 30 crap leading to more profit than level 100 lgs that take way more work to craft? how many days does dtm with being able to craft all lgs in the game..actually make 6m per day. sure he does indeed have days he can make 6m in a day..but he also has days he makes 0 lgs. even if crafting should be profitable.. low level stuff is still low level. a high school painting shouldn't sell for more than a picasso. (then again looking at his paintings... really. i must have a lack of.."art sense"? cuz damn. how are those masterpieces... but w/e.)

***could is proper but can has better ring for this line


also damn. shoulda done something special for my 2000th post.

[flipynifty]

any good idea to boost noobs will be shot down by the selfish caps themselves with a ME TOO MEE TOOOO....

yes this exploit was done by capped jerkoffs they always are

instead of saying this could be a viable option for noobies... which it could or couldn't, moot point..

lets create an idea thread on what could make it easier for a noobie to have fun, since the economy wont ever move down, too many selfish ****wits for that

[Joanna]

I have to partiallly agree with Kingz that servers should be separated and have their own mechanics as economy and play style is way different.

New peoples life's here is miserable unless they pay real money. However they rarely do that as they quit finding progressing too hard.

Derinium STS should be fixed at 60k and left alone forever. It would bring very small profit only to those who resource their own mats and it would be barely worth time spent on it.

Bosses chests need to be fixed to maximum X2 gold chance - there is plenty gold boosters already in game .

Random 1-4 x gold was implemented to make random bosses less annoying but turned into heavy exploiting.

Boss drops more than 2x gold than any normal mob in same area (higher lvl and double hp) so we looking at roughly up to 9x chest while we encounter random boss.

It takes longer to kill ? Yes it does but with possible dps this days gs mobs give you chest warning.

Bosses are the reason op toons are shared . That brings another issue with melee/ranged farming.

As it is now you are able to log 10 op toons start fight switch tab -start fight..... then go back to first tab and one after another collect all chests. Even in tm having 12 toons logged it's same as unlimited rrt for one toon farming with DA/ACCEL on. Sadly many people abusing it. And since tou says you should pay attention to the game it's sort of exploit as you don't.

There is many things in game that favors group of players and hurts other. But really hard to find a perfect solution.

Should 1 person make 10 mil/h by switching tabs while other person plays caster with same time and effort and only make 1 ?

That's where problem is ... when player is able to burn 60 h rrt /h and profit on each toon.

[ShadeDaScout]

ayy lmao this thread is still burning