Glitch! I want a refund!

[Nemesiss]

so yeh, agree with the fixing part and stuffs

[Umbrastar]

Holy wow to the lies about Beorn in KCNO chat ... just wow. And, yes the situations are completely different between Beorn dieing to a mob and Spock dieing to a mob. Spock even admitted that he was walking intentionally, grouped up with a low level, and hit a static boss of which he couldn't beat. While I feel for Spock and believe personally that neither of them should have suffered perma-death, that was his mistake.

As for the hotkeys, while I personally knew / know about the hot key removal... I have never seen where the /h was a permanent disable even upon relog. AND NOWHERE when the hotkeys were rolled out was this ability to disable actually publicized by Glitchless. I do remember him publicizing the SB Legendaries though >.>

I feel that he should be given everything, but I could even live with give him his level and stats back, and I will just help him acquire his gear again like Alison and I did the first go around.

Also, I fully support the changes Enigmawave suggests about stun and all, though just have 1 edit. I would actually (kicking myself for saying this) post a global message "XXXX has died to a mob while flashing in the Abandoned Docks" as well as stun to give PKK's a better chance of finding them. This serves as a check to discourage flashing pks from entering zones they really have no business in just to hide.

[Merc]

I have a question about the situation though slightly unrelated. If you were flashing red and and that far into the Fungi Forest, weren't you already running the risk of hitting a random boss and dying anyway regardless of hotkeys?

[Master]

Nope, umbra was walking me there with his shield. Would call me in when spot was clear

[adino]

Also, Thor raised a very good point when he stated that there is no tutorial for hotkeys.

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by Umbrastar

Also, I fully support the changes Enigmawave suggests about stun and all, though just have 1 edit. I would actually (kicking myself for saying this) post a global message "XXXX has died to a mob while flashing in the Abandoned Docks" as well as stun to give PKK's a better chance of finding them. This serves as a check to discourage flashing pks from entering zones they really have no business in just to hide.

would be a good idea.otherwise you can just go into any zone in the game whether you can solo or not & no one would know.

The 1 thing that occurs to me is the problem that they can be immune to being pkked this way. just go to arl boss static.die.sit there til timer runs out.no one else can get on that square without killing the boss which on s2 should be impossible >.> hit me like 5 minutes ago

[Umbrastar]

King,

Your argument brings a good point if it weren't for the fact that 25 toons have completed the 132 boss on s1(I just checked tops list for group boss kills), and thereby could PKK with no problems. Running into a high level static only limits the number of toons that can PKK, doesn't eliminate the possibility of it happening all together though.

On S2 only 2 toons currently can get to a zone where this would be the issue. That will change with time though. Plus, neither myself nor Chloe have purchased the compass for the ARL to be the boss, but currently we can run into Fungi and not have an issue.

[Glitchless]

While this may be the most unfortunate such event to date, our policy has always been that we do not compensate for misclicks except in cases where the game has unduly caused confusion. In this case there is little confusion any player who has logged some hours into the game can expect: WASD move your character, and there is already a method in place to temporarily disable hotkeys upon logging.

Enigma's suggestion could be exploited by PKs by purposefully moving into high level areas that others are unlikely to follow them into. Even if it pushed you back on to the previous square upon death, it would still result in a duration of time where you are in an area where you otherwise should not have been due to certainty of death that would make searching for PKs unnecessarily difficult.

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by Umbrastar

King,

Your argument brings a good point if it weren't for the fact that 25 toons have completed the 132 boss on s1(I just checked tops list for group boss kills), and thereby could PKK with no problems. Running into a high level static only limits the number of toons that can PKK, doesn't eliminate the possibility of it happening all together though.

On S2 only 2 toons currently can get to a zone where this would be the issue. That will change with time though. Plus, neither myself nor Chloe have purchased the compass for the ARL to be the boss, but currently we can run into Fungi and not have an issue.

well this was more for s2 so s1 toons that have killed the boss wouldn't be involved as much but that would help on s1.

i don't play s2 so this is unconfirmed but i hear tcs are selling at 500k there.if so selling 2 tcs any pk can easily get compass on s2 if they can get to fa'ar. not sure how good gold farming is at level 60 so won't say you can easily make that without blissing

[Umbrastar]

Selling timecards won't get you a compass... Chloe or I would have to be willing to purchase said compass and move it to some other town, and as for the moment ... neither of us is willing to do so

As for Beorn, Glitch I think you have made exceptions to your policy before regarding issues, and this one warrants such an exception. It is feasible that someone didn't know how to disable the hotkeys, and in this case I do believe he didn't know. As you never publicized how to disable (if I am wrong please correct me as to where you did) these infernal hotkeys.

[Blaze]

if the compass offered a 100% for sure way to avoid pkks on s2 it would probably become a lot more desirable even costing 975k


btw he says how to disable hotkeys here:
http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=2757&

"/hotkeys - temporarily disables hotkeys, type again to enable"

http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...d.php_t=17232&

"You can now temporarily toggle hotkeys with the /hotkeys command."

[Master]

Seems like you have a finale decision made. i disagree with you on the fact you feel there was no confusion with my clicks because I never clicked anything it typed ffs... Well that's that I guess. Wasted 600 bucks and several hours a day for 2 months for no reason. Good luck on s2 everyone I won't be coming back there and wasting more money. Back to free play in s1 for me. I really thought that glitch team would be more understanding and fair in This particular situation that they also feel is a "most unfortunate event" that is against their policy. I guess mot just got lucky the day they decided to go against that very same type of policy.


Done ranting. Back to s1 for now. For the s2 kcno players, enigmawave aka stitch will be the clan master so don't worry about that.

[Tharkas]

I believe that having to turn hotkeys off instead of on causes undue confusion, don't you?

[Blaze]

yeah.could be useful to have them off to start & turn them on if you want them

[Master]

That is a great solution. If that were the case I would of never had that freak accident happen,

should of been something that we have to turn on in the first place. Some of us have been here 2,3,4,5 years even... we are adjusted and stuff just becomes a habit, throwing something new into the game that uses the same key that many of us use to simply chat for many years is rather unfair. Should been to where if we wanted to use it, we have to turn it on. Other wise its off.

[Master]

I've gotten a few messages asking me to return to s2... Please understand that I cannot unless glitch sees the fault in this and is able to compensate me for something I truly feel like is in no way my fault.

[chloe]

tbh i read parts of both the auto cast and the new move things, and they really were not explained very easily, only yesterday someone told me HOW to change them, i knew you could but thought it was under an options page, and after a while just gave up looking for them.

i also didnt have a clue you could turn the hotkeys off, and have numerous times moved when trying to talk rather than trying to move due to chat options.

we know that WASD moves you, but when default chat is set to no key pressed, it is VERY easy to forget, even if you have been playing years and hours every day.


guess ill take a break from playing and paying for nod for a while, now there isnt much keeping me here , ill be on from time to time, but doubt i will farm much

[Blaze]

if you do use hotkeys by accident unless you rarely talk it would happen more than once in a few month period so might be a good idea to change default keybinds >.> blaze had this problem a lot until i changed his defaults

[Merc]

Chleo Quitting S2 As Well? Who Is Enigmawave?

[Trojan]

all of thorins made threads mostly in one picture ----V