Regen in PvP

[paulodjohn]

regen takes all the excitement out of arena. for those that say not much arena anyway, maybe its due to the fact that its so boring and takes a lot of the creative thinking out of the game. games should be fun and exciting right?

For those that "might quit" if its nerfed.. BAI

But really if it is nerfed think of all the extra possible ways that will be created that regen disables.

[widowmaker]

I resisted using regen as long as i could stand and now it may get nerfed. idk how to vote. P.S. buff slashers

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by paulodjohn

regen takes all the excitement out of arena. for those that say not much arena anyway, maybe its due to the fact that its so boring and takes a lot of the creative thinking out of the game. games should be fun and exciting right?

For those that "might quit" if its nerfed.. BAI

But really if it is nerfed think of all the extra possible ways that will be created that regen disables.

I believe you mean the exact same things that existed before regen got massively buffed. Nothing new, just a return to the old ways.

[Brookeland]

Sure if he gives us our money back, i delt with nod before regen and before Bm's, as alot of people that still play did, and have delt with Alot of "changes", there comes a time when changing classes ( nerf/buff ) become unacceptable due to the length of time it has been active, surely it should have been nerf'd all those years ago when everyone was bitching about it when scrambles used it ( properly i may add ) but no, not enough toons used it, and wouldnt be profitable then.

I totally get that games should evolve, but nerf'in toons/classes is not the way imo, if the game is to evolve let there be more options for toons to choose from so that there is so many combinations of classes that the chances of 2 toons being the same are very remote, then we can see some exciting game-play.

[widowmaker]

after reading brookelands post i figured out how to vote........i totally agree with him

[widowmaker]

P.S. buff slashers

[hotshot64]

I oppose buffs and nerfs of all kinds. In fact, I have only ever supported one of each: a recovery buff (for healers) and an angelic nerf (for dders). But I really find it hard to care about this argument.

[Master]

I laugh at everyone who says they will quit if its nerfed... I could list several people who already quit because its boring now that it exists... so we potentially lose some, we gain some old ones back. =/=

I don't care if its nerfed or buffed or stays the same, I just would like to see some change that brings some excitement back in arena..

People like me and brook, usaeagle, cy, slashh a few others with Capped out skills 8x tempers and 20+% hp bonus are the ones who will suffer from a nerf the most... Because we are able to exploit this in so many more ways than anyone else... If anyone wants any chance at winning in arena even top 3 and soon top10... then SOMETHING has GOT to happen with regen or people like myself and the others I listed will always easily make your life a nightmare. I dont mind taking advantage of this atm but I do think it is unfair to others...


Think about any new players we may or may not get in the game...

I know if I was a new person who just joined the game I would feel severally discouraged when i fought someone with OP regen and I literally couldn't even move thier hp bar while dying fast and probably just quit. I wonder how many newer players we lost because of this? Whats the point in them even staying and trying when they cant dent someone unless they last 8minutes and if they are new they wont even be able to achieve that, its misleading to newer players and we need those players to stay.

[danielrox]

Originally Posted by Brookeland

Sure if he gives us our money back, i delt with nod before regen and before Bm's, as alot of people that still play did, and have delt with Alot of "changes", there comes a time when changing classes ( nerf/buff ) become unacceptable due to the length of time it has been active, surely it should have been nerf'd all those years ago when everyone was bitching about it when scrambles used it ( properly i may add ) but no, not enough toons used it, and wouldnt be profitable then.

I totally get that games should evolve, but nerf'in toons/classes is not the way imo, if the game is to evolve let there be more options for toons to choose from so that there is so many combinations of classes that the chances of 2 toons being the same are very remote, then we can see some exciting game-play.

So true

[Yadocxer]

I agree with Brookeland and all the others that say "enough with the nerfing". If you feel that Regen is out of hand, which personally I don't, counter it with improvements to other skills or introduction of new skills, classes, weapons, pets, etc. I also want to comment on all the hupla and crying about Regen. I've not heard one comment decrying Regen and PKing or Clan Battling. The crying is all about Regen in Arena. Imo, too many folks form arena teams willy nilly, seemingly with little thought to team composition and a winning strategy or make teams of their alts and expect to do well. When they run into well thought out teams using the best combinations of what is available atm to be Top Notch, Regen/Mit/Dot/DD all the hupla about Regen gets started. Come on give me a break will ya! Arena is or should be about teams and team work with those putting together the best combinations of classes, abilities and strategies being on top and the rest busting their buts to catch up. If Regen or any other skills, class, ability etc has skew any part of this game so much that the majority can't or want for whatever reason, "its boring, its unoriginal, its ridding the band wagon", do the hard work to catch the teams that have did the work; then for the sake of those that have given the money and effort to be top arena and for those that haven't please 'No NERFS'. Re-balance, add excitement, whatever you want to call it, to PvP/Arena with additive measures and improvements of current skills and equipment.
Two other points and I am finished. There are zero undefeated teams this season. (Hmmmmmm) I expect all the top teams to loose more matches before season's end. And most of my teams matches are over in under a minuet, few have lasted over 5 minuets (I have really enjoyed those. A long wait in Q for a 30 second match isn't fun).

[Master]

So far it looks like the majority agree and its not just a few like you are suggesting.

[Fior]

Every time when some class of warrior was nerfed or buffed all trying to reroll his toon to change his own class to better one. Many of u change his class and equipment after that error has been corrected and all of u seen what hapened with Bm class when was corrected that error in stalking skill.

Nerfed or buffed will be good only for Glitch as a motivation for you require to buybuy some more TC's because will need to adjust your class or rerroll and buy or change your equipment as armors and weapons.
And for all who use some regen point in his stats will be bad also.

Is no error detected or malfunction. Only Glitch wish. Think twice before you allow as any change in this game to be made.

Better ask Glitch to release the lg Beast more often.
Why Glitch don't ask that kind of question ?

With so many changes, I can see that over a year you get to play Pac-Man or Tetris instead of Nodiatis.

[Enduir]

Originally Posted by widowmaker

P.S. buff slashers

Slush baffers.

[Blaze]

Originally Posted by widowmaker

P.S. buff slashers

support >.>

[Glitchless]

For the longest time the cry about regen was that if there was a way to counter the no-fail regen gems, that there would be no issue. Now with Rule of Law, there is a way to counter that. We'd like to hear some feedback on that gem in particular.

[Master]

over 10mill to make just one "according to noremorese" can be shattered/apoced. Only build that has enough dps to do damage with it and able to use it due to not needing to deft cast is archers. Melee toons could also use for the sake of not needing to deft cast but they dont get all the scaled bonuses needed to actually compete in high arena due to so many Hp increased skills/bonus's as well as regen. Melee much slower than a archer so the time it takes to hit again regen is back up. So that is why I say archers will be the only build that can make great use out of them.

The fact that it doesn't immediately work. For example. Say i Draw one of those 10+mill gems and only have a max of 4 in a bag which is low odds of drawing. Opposing team can shatter it while keeping their ability to regen until the game reads that it is in play, by the time the game notices its in replay its already gone due to shatter/apoc and you only get a few seconds tops of slowing their regen down which really doesn't help much at all.

Deft casting+ all the different types of regen auras/bonus's is the real issue. I draw anti regen gem it gets shattered i wait a long time to grab it again for it to be shattered again. While renegers are able to deft destroy gems until they get one of many types of regen auras that stack with the ridiculous amount of regen that they already have.

Especially now with the recent archer buffs, you are really narrowing arena down to only 3 builds to do well in arena. You can use a crap load of regen and deft cast DD/aoes or dots with apocs.
You can use a crap load of regen and use any form of archery and wait till a instant death arrow to kill you with the new skills. or you can use a crap load of regen and bounce taunts with 3 melee toons and just pray to god you get lucky hits back to back because they dont get the rapid burst of DDs or the Instant deaths from archery or dots. Also AOE dds, dots and archery all 3 can do AOE damage while melee toons cannot unless they use a gem that lowers thier dps so much that its really not worth it with the slow hits they get.

Now a traditional team healer/aoe dd caster or dotter with a pure tank using those gems with perfect luck and gem draw can win random battles too, but the main issue with that is again the lack of having more than 4 insanely overpriced gems paired with keeping it in play. Ultimately the issue with that team style is healing. while renegers can easily heal with no heals what so ever while doing good dps that scales up as arena timer is going. A healer has no dps and thier heal gems DO NOT scale up as the arena timer goes on. So that kinda defeats the purpose of a healer when most toons can aoe damage now and you have 3 dps regeners in a higher timed arena match compared to 1 healer "no dps" 1 tanker "limited dps" and 1 good dps. No scale up of heals. Really takes pure luck of gem draws to win a match these days.

Im getting off topic here, anyway. What you wanted to know about that gem.

Cost
Unbalanced use for all builds
Lack of chance
Lack of keeping in play
Lack of communicating with the ONLY PERSON IN NOD THAT CAN CRAFT THEM. Due to you having him perma muted.

Anywho, I better pay attention in class now, finals coming up.

[Master]

Consider something like a pet maybe?

While equip makes regen stop or maybe even give a LG pouch that has 4-8 less gem slots that can be purchased? I donno, just some random ideas.

[Oneangel]

I actually use rule of law, but it is not overly effective as you need to be also draining energy faster than your opponent can regeneration or steal it. The energy drain gems tick too slowly and can be resisted and you need your team all to have imp up to prevent drains. Also although I have multiple rule of law auras as thorn said they can easily be shattered or apo.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

For the longest time the cry about regen was that if there was a way to counter the no-fail regen gems, that there would be no issue. Now with Rule of Law, there is a way to counter that. We'd like to hear some feedback on that gem in particular.

See this thread (which was posted several days ago): http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=17785

Another issue with Rule of Law is the fact that if you aren't draining the enemy, the regen gems may fail once, then they'll work for the next go. Because of the duration though, the regen buff stays up all the time, meaning full regen.

Also please respond to this bug thread which will definitely affect the balance of all PvP before you change regen: http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/sh...ad.php_t=17786

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

For the longest time the cry about regen was that if there was a way to counter the no-fail regen gems, that there would be no issue. Now with Rule of Law, there is a way to counter that. We'd like to hear some feedback on that gem in particular.

That cry will change yet again as soon as you nerf regen in another way. You can please some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people some of the time.