arena

[chloe]

Originally Posted by berpy

so I'm asking this seriuosly, if not arenas, what is there fun to do at end game? I want to know so I can decide to play this game or not.

I really did want to get into pvp, but if it seems one things beats another, but is also weak against so & so, it doesn't sound to be fun pvp. I used to play the first guild wars which had a very serious PvP, but you could easily change your build. In this, you're kinda stuck with what you chose leveling up.

i play because i like farming if im honest, i like improving my toon, and its not finished yet. i also stay because i have had some great memories with people, and i have friends here.

[StormGuardian]

Originally Posted by Oneangel

healers cant farm, now they cant pvp, whats the point in healers?

Originally Posted by Oneangel

You can heal...but there isn't much point. At some point dmg multiplier is too much for heals, no matter how much you can heal, and if you have a healer then the other team will have more dps. A dps build with reg is far more effective. Cure are not bad vs a dot team but then you need a seperate cure pouch else non dot teams might as well be in 3 vs 2. Nautolan selling entire heal suit and gems when previously had been champion is no coincidence.

Originally Posted by Yadocxer

Hmmmm....seems healers are in the same boat as DD Casters and the craft is taking on water! You healers can't out heal nor can we out dps the top Mit/Regen toons. It is disheartening to be teamed with an awesome healer and fight, 2 vs 1 against a uber mit/regen/(add your class here) and see damage multiplier decide the victor. Are Healers and DD casters headed to extinction in this game?

Originally Posted by Oneangel

Yeah...this is my last season as healer. There are a couple of other good healers out there but I'm the last of the pure healers. Is sad to stop doing it as its the role I like best but I'd rather help my team than just make losses take a bit longer.

Originally Posted by Oneangel

I'm not saying that healers won't keep teams alive longer, I'm saying that by having a healer you don't have enough team dps to kill a toon using regen until past the point where heals become insignificant compared to damage multiplier. At that point it's obvious that the team setup with 2 dps sources will beat the team with 1.

Originally Posted by SiSiX

But, I generally agree, healers as a class, for top tier arena are over. It is basically about the DPS at this point. You either kill the other team before damage bonus kicks in, or survive to kill them after it does.

Also, from the zircon BP thread:

Originally Posted by Jadakris

Nautolan and Ripple both used it.. Yea it would be nice if it were better, but it's purpose is still there.. Healers will have their day again soon people just need to sit back and see how to do it properly

Am I doing it right? I dunno, I just keep hearing that healing is the suxorz

Keep up the fight! Healers are OP w/Zircon BP!!!

Farming is easy...2nd suit and DD!! pew pew!

Also I don't even have a healer class, but am a "pure" healer, and seem to do fine! So, what is wrong with arena?

Also nerf regen kthnxbai. TOO STRONK

[Hoodrat]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

Also nerf regen kthnxbai. TOO STRONK

eye agrrrr

[Jadakris]

Lol

[StormGuardian]

<3 joo jada!!!

[Jadakris]

It's amazing that someone.. can.....actually think....
BEFORE crying..

Alittle faith restored in the Nod community

[Jadakris]

"Nerf DoT" is lolz

[StormGuardian]

OMG! WAIT A SECOND...did u just...say something nice about me? OMG OMG OMG <3<3

can we be friends nao?

[Oneangel]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

Also, from the zircon BP thread:





Am I doing it right? I dunno, I just keep hearing that healing is the suxorz

Keep up the fight! Healers are OP w/Zircon BP!!!

Farming is easy...2nd suit and DD!! pew pew!

Also I don't even have a healer class, but am a "pure" healer, and seem to do fine! So, what is wrong with arena?

Also nerf regen kthnxbai. TOO STRONK

Are you saying the reason your team is doing so well is because you built your heal suit better than anyone else and the rest of us noob healers are just doing it wrong?

[StormGuardian]

Let me apologize real quick, I realized too late that by grabbing a bunch of "healers are bad" quotes, that you(or any other healer) might have been bound to feel like it was an attack and calling you(or anyone else) a bad healer or something, or that my suit is better, my [insert gear/stats/skills] is better, or whatever. Let me just add now, that in no way am I saying that I am better/others are worse, or someone can't heal, or whatever you think I might be implying. Also, I still have a lot of work to do anyway, just ask hoody :P

The whole point I am making is, people are too busy bashing healers, when obviously healers are still VERY viable. It is not because our tank is any better, or our dps is better, or I am better. Most of the top teams tanks are all very tough and have diff strengths and weaknesses, same with the DPS toons on the team, and the healers each have theirs as well. But the simple fact that we beat Cy and company once(it was a very close fight) just says that heals still work, and regen is not necessarily king, you just have to work at it. Maybe when this season is over, if anyone is interested, I would be happy to discuss some healing strategies of my own, so we can all get better! And no, it does not revolve around just clicking gems, for those of you who haven't gotten into healing

[Hoodrat]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

I would be happy to discuss some healing strategies of my own, so we can all get better! And no, it does not revolve around just clicking gems, for those of you who haven't gotten into healing

Like not being stubborn and switching secondary from Adventurer to something useful during rush week?

[StormGuardian]

Originally Posted by Hoodrat

Like not being stubborn and switching secondary from Adventurer to something useful during rush week?

Do not give away my 2nd class OMG! Just because I am still adventurererer!

#20+AdvCAKills2Date

[Hoodrat]

Originally Posted by StormGuardian

Do not give away my 2nd class OMG! Just because I am still adventurererer!

#20+AdvCAKills2Date

#ticklemepink

[Rakar]

tickle too stronk too nerf nao pl0x

[StormGuardian]

omg geef puppy p10x

[Jadakris]

-_- ticklefrags are totally my thing...

[Jadakris]

And to sum it all up.

In the end, gear doesn't change that much on a healer - and class bonuses really don't either. Where 90% of Nod fails as healers is the pouch. There is a heal counter to DoT's, a Counter to Arena bonus damage, along with the heals themselves.

That being said, there is thus far only 2 teams I've seen play healers - in what I would call correct. First was Trojan (always enjoy fighting him, if he could fix a solid season he would surely be in contention for the top spot).. and now Storm's team. Totally different approaches - but have well balanced pouches.

The second flaw is timing. The entire idea of simply spamming heals is exactly why we have the arena bonus in the first place - it was designed to eliminate the stalemates. (The season we won there were what 3-4 teams STILL drawing matches WITH the baby arena bonuses)
So if something was implemented specifically to stonewall the heal spams (Nautolan/Ripple approach) why would you continue to try to make it work when it clearly is not going to.

The third flaw is overall team composition. If you have a good healer, with mediocre DPS - yes as you know this already you are going to lose to teams with higher DPS in the end. This is where Trojan's team came into play - they could out DPS nearly anyone assuming they could land hits.. and still manage to occasionally draw heals. With timing and focus it is possibly one of the most devastating teams to fight and they just so happen to understand that and play it well.

And I've been clearly saying this the entire time, if you actually sit back and realize how easy it is to make a proper pouch now with the new lead gems - being a healer is a perfectly viable option. But you're expecting to keep up with teams with players who play at the top tier and have a strong grasp and understand that the game is actually pretty balanced - when you can't sit back and figure out how to make a build work (no offense) ?

Yea, odds are you are going to lose.. lol

[Rakar]

no puppy for u!

[Oneangel]

Yes ofc the pouch makes a difference, but there are 2 critical factors that lead you to believe that the amount you heal is not so important. The tank must resist/block etc. enough that you don't have to heal every attack. If your tank resists etc. 50% more then you can get away with your healing being 25% less. The other is constant dmg from the dps source/sources. Ofc if your dps runs outa juice then you can't compete vs teams that don't.

There are 2 types of tank in nod: pure tanks that take as little dmg as possible, and regenning tanks that take more dmg but can regen themselves rather than be healed. The first type works with healers, the other type does not. Since regenning tanks retain the ability to fight 1 v 1, and can still do great in arena without needing a healer there are very few complimentary tanks for healers. Either way, we are discussing simple things that all of us know and stating them as revolutionary concepts. It's not that complex...and timing being heralded as some kind of ninja honed skill is rediculous. No one is stupid enough to spam and waste gems. You use them where and when you need them. It's not like healers sit there and spam heals on just their tank while facing aoe teams, but yeah when facing dot teams you will spam instant heals and cures to remove as much pending dmg as possible.

[Jadakris]

Then explain why storm is the only healer who isn't complaining about being a healer.. lol and what type of tank am I? I'd like to consider myself a pure tank who minimizes damage.. But I also regen I said it once and I'll say it til I quit nod.. It's about team composition..if you want to be a healer make a team worthy of a healer with the proper dps involved. Don't just complain that healers arent worth a crap