Spider Trapping Buffed

[adino]

I have not be able to play much so have not tried anything with this yet. Correct me if I'm wrong but the math seems pretty simple.

T11 should be the lowest possible drop with the skill at 100. To get 1 t11 silk you would need to uptier 1024 t1 silks. Saving 1k silks at the cost of 100 seems like an overkill to me. Given time it should become clear that everyone will want this ability. Add in the downtier buff and rare silks should be very abundant in a month or two.

[adino]

Also, I did read the thread by Davross on this subject.

[Davross]

Thank you Glitch, Im hoping this is the right number

[Glitchless]

If you're planning on downtiering any of those gained tiers, you definitely do not want to level this skill. Uptiering may be a 2:1 ratio, but downtiering is now around 1:1.15 - 1.3 depending on the rarity. 1.3^10 is not anywhere near 100.

[adino]

Downtiering only as needed. Say you want to make 20 r12 ac pots but only have t26 cloths for the tp. You might downtier 17 and get the 20 you need. Over a period of time this would add up. Nothing huge but when these results are added to those from the rest of the community it should make for more, higher tier mats overall.

I just want to add that i like this new patch. Some very useful updates/changes. Thank you Glitch.

[Hoodrat]

when should we expect the patch buff for 1 for every 75 and 15 levels higher?

[Andressan]

Does this mean we will still get large stacks of silks at just 1/100th the rate, or is it smaller stacks than before at 1/100th the rate? I have level 90 in it and haven't gotten a silk yet so idk.

[Glitchless]

Originally Posted by Andressan

Does this mean we will still get large stacks of silks at just 1/100th the rate, or is it smaller stacks than before at 1/100th the rate? I have level 90 in it and haven't gotten a silk yet so idk.

Same size stacks.

[Ghortarr]

if the stack amount stays the same but the chances to find a stack are divided by a 100 (at max lvl) the chances to get a stack of silk are a problem. I lvl'd it to 50 cause the skill seems to be broken.

I normally get around 4 or 5 stacks everyday i play nodiatis with normal rrt hours around (4hours)
This means at a skill of 50 my chances to find a stack of silk are divided by 50% wich would normally leave me with at approx 2stacks everyday with 4hours of rrt..

==> i spend more than 16hours of rrt already.. no silk yet? so if i can assume the maths:
its really 1 stack out of a 50 you keep.. so i have to spend like 15days of 4hours of rrt (60hours of rrt in total) to find my first silk stack? assuming that i get around 4 stacks for 4hours rrt?

[beetdabrat]

Originally Posted by Ghortarr

if the stack amount stays the same but the chances to find a stack are divided by a 100 (at max lvl) the chances to get a stack of silk are a problem. I lvl'd it to 50 cause the skill seems to be broken.

I normally get around 4 or 5 stacks everyday i play nodiatis with normal rrt hours around (4hours)
This means at a skill of 50 my chances to find a stack of silk are divided by 50% wich would normally leave me with at approx 2stacks everyday with 4hours of rrt..

==> i spend more than 16hours of rrt already.. no silk yet? so if i can assume the maths:
its really 1 stack out of a 50 you keep.. so i have to spend like 15days of 4hours of rrt (60hours of rrt in total) to find my first silk stack? assuming that i get around 4 stacks for 4hours rrt?

Level 50 should be 1/10th the silk so it should take 10x the rrt to get 4 stacks on average at your old rate.

Beet Da Brat

[Andressan]

If its 1/10th at lvl 50 does that make it 1/20th at lvl 100? Is that rate posted somewhere for each skill level or 10 lvls?

[beetdabrat]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

It is not linear. Every 10 levels decreases your chance of getting silk by a factor of 1.585, so this is not a problem, nor are you penalized for having the skill in between factors of 10.

Originally Posted by beetdabrat

That is good to know

0 = 1/1 = 1
10 = 2/1.585 = 1.262x
20 = 4/2.512 = 1.592x
30 = 8/3.982 = 2.001x
40 = 16/6.311 = 2.535x
50 = 32/10 = 3.2x
60 = 64/15.855 = 4.037x
70 = 128/25.13 = 5.094x
80 = 256/39.832 = 6.427x
90 = 512/63.134 = 8.110x
100 = 1024/100 = 10.24x

Beet Da Brat

Beet Da Brat

[Andressan]

I don't understand the numbers. What are the numbers on the right? Is that for lvl 100 then 1 silk drop at 10.24x the amount of rrt used, 10.24x the amount of t30 silks than without the skill, or something else? What does it mean?

[beetdabrat]

level of the skill = number of silks to uptier to the new tier given by that level of the skill/new lower chance of silks = equivalency to getting that many more silk drops.

0: 1/1 = 1
10: 2/1.585 = 1.262x
20: 4/2.512 = 1.592x
30: 8/3.982 = 2.001x
40: 16/6.311 = 2.535x
50: 32/10 = 3.2x
60: 64/15.855 = 4.037x
70: 128/25.13 = 5.094x
80: 256/39.832 = 6.427x
90: 512/63.134 = 8.110x
100: 1024/100 = 10.24x

Example: At level 100 in the skill you get +10 tiers you need 1024 silks to uptier 10 times and you get 1/100th the silk so 1024/100 would be the same as getting 10.24x more silks.

I should have used the colon and not an equal sign XD

Beet Da Brat

[Andressan]

So it's 10.24x more of the higher tier silk than you would've gotten from simply uptiering the silks that were 10 tiers lower originally? So my next question is what does that mean for all t30 silk drops? Are those always 10.24x more t30s that you would've gotten without the skill? As in since t20+ originally now turns into t30s and has 10 possible tiers to get them with from the original tiers, do you in fact get more t30s because of the skill or is that the point that would hold someone back from training the skill?

[beetdabrat]

No the stack size isn't adjusted.

If you get a stack of 90 t20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, or 30 and you will get a stack of 90 30s.

So:

t20 -> t30 would be like getting 1024 t20s in a single drop. getting 1/100th makes it like you got 10.24x the silk
t21 -> t30: 512 t21s / 100 = 5.12x silks
t22 -> t30: 256 t22s / 100 = 2.56x silks
t23 -> t30: 128 t23s / 100 = 1.28x silks
t24 -> t30: 64 t24s / 100 = 0.64x silks
t25 -> t30: 32 t25s / 100 = 0.32x silks
t26 -> t30: 16 t26s / 100 = 0.16x silks
t27 -> t30: 8 t27s / 100 = 0.08x silks
t28 -> t30: 4 t28s / 100 = 0.04x silks
t29 -> t30: 2 t29s / 100 = 0.02x silks
t30 / 100 = 0.01x silks

Since you're more likely to get the lower tier silks it should still be beneficial to have it leveled. You're also saving time not having to uptier it.


Beet Da Brat

[Andressan]

So my question is if all of those silks add up to more overall t30s than any other tier or not? In other words does that mean you'd get 20.47x t30s?

[beetdabrat]

Originally Posted by Andressan

So my question is if all of those silks add up to more overall t30s than any other tier or not? In other words does that mean you'd get 20.47x t30s?

No, they don't add.

Beet Da Brat

[Jerzy]

A tender shank of lamb...a glorious offering in hopes that Samurai armor will be buffed too.

[Darknessunited]

just saying spidertrapping is lvl 95, havent seen a silk yet and i farm everyday. not worth at all.

"Also expect an item or ability to help facilitate silk gathering." - glitchless