Spidertrapping lvl 99
Old 03-04-2014, 10:41 PM   #1
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Had some RRT stored and thought Id run a test on whether this skill actually was of use to me. I levelled it to 99 (sorry wont go to 100, its been about 8 months since I got travel exp, got to make it last ) and headed off to redwood.

Long story short, 15 hours RRT gone...no silk drop! Hmm, I thought, something must be wrong here, surely I would have gotten a silk drop by now. I means that's over 2 days worth of RRT!

Not being a maths wiz like others, I'm hesitant to crunch numbers, but I was curious as to when I could expect my 1st 'silk drop'. Now at first I thought back and wondered how many silk drops do I normally get per daily RRT. I thought maybe 5 (although I only ever kept t8s and above). I ran some numbers on that, I'm not going to post results cause frankly they are just too depressing. Anyway after asking clan chat, I discovered opinions varied. Some said they didn't get that many, others claimed to get 20 per day off daily RRT. I'm pretty sure I don't get 20, but, like I said, I don't really pay that much attention to anything under t8s. I farm either Fungi or redwood so I guess perhaps if I farmed n.lake or DMV perhaps I would get more (quicker fights). So lets take the best case scenario here. Lets say I get 20 silk drops from 4.5 (or so) hours of RRT.

For me there is one way I look at this (like I said no maths wiz here). With ST at 100, I get 300 less rolls of the dice when it comes to a silk drop. That is, instead of the dice being a 30 sided dice (1tier-30tier), it becomes a 20 sided dice (tier 10-tier30). I know different tiers are weighted also, so you have less chance of a rare than you do an uncommon. You are always going to be more likey to get an uncommon than a rare (someone out there would know the figures on this).

So, as Glitch has explained, the skill is not for everyone. Have to agree, but I sit here thinking to myself, 'just who is it for'? Based on a basic linear number roll if you normally got 20 drops a day, at 300x slower, it works out that you would get 2 silk drops a month. Keep in mind that rares are...surprisingly rarer than uncommon, then you would have to say (really dont know figures here, but lets assume) your going to get uncommons 75% of the time.

To a layman here it looks like you can expect 1 rare drop to 3 uncommon drops, which in turn means you can get your rare (t21-30) once every 2 months.

So who is this skill for?

A: A person who is looking for rare silks?

Obviously not, since rolling the dice 300 times more gives you far better odds. Even though I dont have exact figures here, I do know that I uptier and sell t30s to the silk and thread starved crafters out there. I get upto t28 rare silks in fungi.

B: A person who hates silks and loathes destroying them constantly?

I know there are a couple out there that fit this, that's fine, but wouldn't of a toggle in the 'autoloot' button where you can turn off silk drops (and runes as well while your at it) been simpler?

So who is this skill for?

If your going to make the silks so rare (assuming 67 hours between drops), then please make them t20 and over. If your going to make us wait that long, please don't discourage us by giving us a t10 drop, that would be horrible. Otherwise reduce the 300 to something more realistic. I would suggest x 100. Based on a (rather high I believe) silk drop of 20 a day, this would mean you only had to wait 5 days for a silk drop instead of 15. It would still suck that you waited 5 days to get a T10, but it might mean its actually worth levelling as opposed to leaving it at 0. I've spoken to a crafter who has all the mats to make lgs, except the silk/thread. That's kinda sad since collecting silks is an effortless task that is typically a by-product of trophy farming.

Sorry for the lack of 'hard data' here and I know I might very well be trolled for 'not having any idea', but I dont care. If I have it all wrong, please clear it up. All I know is that Ive used 15hours RRT and no silk drop (with a potentially 50 more to go before I do).

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Old 03-04-2014, 11:35 PM   #2
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Yah 99 is a waste since you're getting 1/297th the silk but not getting the +10 yet... would be better off stopping it at 90 if you only wanted +9s. But yes if you were to get a silk drop every 10 kills on average before it will take 2970 to get a drop now. I am assuming the lower rate is linear though.

I think this skill is for the lazy like me. I uptier t10.+ Last time I did I took 9k silks and got 16 t30s from em. It will be nice to have a chance toget t30s now when they finally drop. Its basically a skill that you pay for convenience.

This skill is also for people who don't want to deal with silks at all.

It would be amazing to have it at 1/100th though XD

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Old 03-04-2014, 11:52 PM   #3
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Ok, thank you so freaking much Davie, you have pointed out RIGHT what I said from the VERY moment I saw this skill, this skill is so not worth leveling, I get a stack of 80+ rare silks of a T21+ and I would uptier them to a T30 over time, and thus I would also get these like once or twice a week (depending on how much I farm) and get anywhere from 1-8ish T30s a week and yet if I was to level that skill, I would get 1 T30 MAYBE once a month. So yeah! NOT worth it to me.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:55 PM   #4
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Keep in mind there are ALOT of assumptions here, I wont have any REAL figures until I get a few drops. Im at 19 hours RRT used so far, will keep you posted.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:59 PM   #5
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19 hours, I would have quited at 15 lol
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:02 AM   #6
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lol Im trying to max out the epic skills anyways, figured it was a good opportunity to test out ST as well, so its no biggie
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:13 AM   #7
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How about being able to toggle the skill on and off. Can turn it off when you want more stacks and back on when you want the lower rate.

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Old 03-05-2014, 01:55 AM   #8
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if i farm ~6-7 hours rrt, in vd3, ill end up with ~10 stacks of silks most of the time, sometimes ive had more.

this skill would remove all this, and then get none most of the time. to me, the skill as it stands is useless. its not worth leveling, based purely on the math of the drops. Yeah silks might of annoyed people in the past, but nerfing them to this point, is hurting everyone. Crafters need em for crafting, people need the gear that the crafters make.

this just ups the cost even more of everything, combined with the disheartening feeling of not getting any of use for, based on stormys math, ~750 stacks of trophies per 1 stack of silk.
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:28 AM   #9
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UPDATE:
25 RRT hours Burnt

Here are the (edited) logs. *only entries deleted are tc purchases, destroying the runes, selling the drops. Also Prem time and TC total deleted (cause that's nobody's business

11037Davross: Looted: 1 Deterring Rune Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 16:10:55
11039Davross: Looted: 1 Rune of Invention Rank 1++ Date: 3/4/2014 16:12:19
11041Davross: Looted: 1 Energy Theft Rune Rank 3+ Date: 3/4/2014 17:08:32
11044Davross: Looted: 1 Emerald Scale Quiver Date: 3/4/2014 18:03:36
11046Davross: Looted: 90 Gate Potion Date: 3/4/2014 18:12:33
11047Davross: Looted: 1 Virile Rune Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 19:06:25
11049Davross: Looted: 1 Assurance Rune Rank 1++ Date: 3/4/2014 19:34:15
11051Davross: Looted: 1 Rune of Pain Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 19:50:00
11053Davross: Looted: 1 Rabid Aura Rank 2 Date: 3/4/2014 19:51:59
11059Davross: Looted: 1 Energy Theft Rune Rank 1++ Date: 3/4/2014 20:10:02
11061Davross: Looted: 1 Deft Rune Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 20:14:17
11063Davross: Looted: 1 Trueflight Emerald Arrow Date: 3/4/2014 21:59:34
11065Davross: Looted: 1 Energetic Rune Rank 3+ Date: 3/4/2014 22:06:36
11067Davross: Looted: 1 Euphoric Rune Rank 1++ Date: 3/4/2014 22:16:56
11069Davross: Looted: 1 Angelic Aura Rank 5 Date: 3/4/2014 22:46:51
11070Davross: Looted: 1 Rabid Aura Rank 1 Date: 3/4/2014 22:46:51
11073Davross: Looted: 1 Spike Rune Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 22:51:47
11075Davross: Looted: 1 Energetic Rune Rank 4++ Date: 3/4/2014 22:56:19
11077Davross: Looted: 1 Rune of Torture Rank 2++ Date: 3/4/2014 23:07:35
11080Davross: Looted: 1 Angelic Aura Rank 4 Date: 3/4/2014 23:20:54
11082Davross: Looted: 1 Impervious Aura Date: 3/4/2014 23:44:44
11083Davross: Looted: 1 Hellvein Executioner Sleeve Date: 3/4/2014 23:44:44
11086Davross: Looted: 1 Angelic Aura Rank 1 Date: 3/5/2014 01:10:34
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:40 AM   #10
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I think more testing is needed to make a definitive conclusion on this and as beet pointed out, you should get that last level or delelvel it 9 times otherwise you're needlessly penalizing yourself
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Old 03-05-2014, 02:47 AM   #11
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Im not too worried about getting pens being at 99. Im curious as to what it would be at 100 (still 24 mill to max it), but may end up deleveling down the track. I just wanted to test and see if it is as bad as I think it is, or Im way off. I mean no disrespect to Glitch, I appreciate the work he has done with these patches, my interest is in making the skill a benefit to the game. No one will level the skill (or level to their detriment) if it doesn't add value for doing it. We have asked for a solution to the high tier silks for a long time now. If this is meant to be the solution to that, then it needs to work and fill that shortage.
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:01 AM   #12
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Mine is at 65 at the moment.

Heavily farmed in Pit the last days, got one silk drop, Camel Spider Silk.
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:25 AM   #13
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Ok just hit 32 hours RRT burned (equivalent to 1 weeks daily RRT hours). At this point, even if I got a T30 it wouldn't be worth it (and a t10 would be shattering). Please buff it Glitch. I'm going to wait a week and see if there is a change. If there isn't, I have little choice but to delevel it, which would have meant this was for nothing, which would really suck. Anyways, I have given you some numbers to look at, which was my main goal with this. I'm sorry I couldn't see it through to a silk drop, but that could have been anywhere from 30-200 RRT hours away and I cant waste that kinda time trying to find a resource I know I can find a better way. I hope this helped you in assessing any 'twerks' you might have been considering.
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:24 AM   #14
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I'll use the skill purely because I never got decent silks above t25 anyway (I don't farm above redwood and my luck is awful) and I destroy everything below t20, so may as well get decent ones I won't destroy on that rare occasion that I get a drop
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:43 AM   #15
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I got it to 70 on three of my toons and got a stack of 6 t24s while in tm pling an alt on one of em lol XD

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