Regeneration

[Fatcheeser]

Originally Posted by Tale

erm... rabid was implemented the next day after ONE player couldnt kill another (read also ONE) while he was afk healing.
In this case THREE players cant kill ONE... go figure

Anyway I'm not against nor for it, just dont want to be nerfed again after I throw tons of money in a regen build so make up your mind plz before half of nod goes regen including me.

Yes.
Just....

Yes.

If this is not fixed everyone is going to "cookie cutter" their way into a regen suit. You can already see almost every melee character that can afford it going earthfusion legs, earthfusion bp, earthfusion helm, and timmy's. The whole build is designed around massive mitigation and regeneration.

When I am forced to agree with Jadakris it makes me SUPER sad. The fact that we actually see eye to eye on this should be a big red flag that something is seriously damaged.

I agree with Tale's perspective. Please do some research on the bigger regen players and then review what works and what doesn't. That is all I ask. My earlier post had several ideas that could help balance it out.

This is a classic case that has been in many roleplaying games. There is a specific "build" or in this case "stat" that is weak. It got buffed. It got buffed TOO MUCH. It needs to be revisited. It does NOT need to be cut to the ground. Having regen points be USEFUL is good for nod. Having every melee/tank character on the server contemplating going regen is a little excessive.

[Lurkee]

I don't have time for arenas this season... are the top teams even using regen? If so who? Cyress?

[Aesonicus]

Originally Posted by flipynifty

the first rule of reg club is you dont talk about reg club!

Sorry wont happen again...

[Hirumaxx]

Merrick is on cyress team using regen,dont think cyress is using regen..there are players in top 10 that do use regen..just check each player in the current top 10 or so for their pvp gear

[Jadakris]

Actually, I have regen.. but I don't really need it in arena..the beauty of having a healer..

But doesn't change the fact that is overpowered..and remains without a solid counter..

[Hoodrat]

Making a Regen build is mainly for PvP purposes, essentially slowing down your PvE speed... there are benefits and drawbacks, just like any build. Thorin already said he nerfed himself PvE.... It may be "overpowered," but still, there are drawbacks.

[hotshot64]

I was only arguing the comma point, I agreed from the start that "or" worked better in that sentence. I'm glad we could come to an agreement guys. /close thread

[Lurkee]

If something were truly overpowered and without a counter you'd think you'd see it being used to win arenas.

[Jadakris]

It is being used to win IN arena.. I think we may be the only team capable of killing Thorin's team.. and when we fight them I use my regen auras so my healer can focus strictly on my DPS..

[Jadakris]

I mean I'm sure there are other teams, like Paul's team could.. but they will never fight for obvious reasons..But I guess most people don't realize that Paul is now Botox too...

And Rogue's team will beat them occasionally.. just depends how lucky Slashh really is

[Lurkee]

So regen is obviously being countered if they're not winning every arena match. I wonder how they do it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Oneangel]

Thorin's team is op and have been creative in their approach so good luck to them. I don't like loosing to them either but at least it gives a new and different challenge.

[Jadakris]

Originally Posted by Lurkee

So regen is obviously being countered if they're not winning every arena match. I wonder how they do it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The point you are missing is that regen allows builds that rely on the arena bonus damage to win.

They aren't being "countered" per se.. They are being slightly out damaged/outhealed.. Believe it or not Cyress is one of the best DPS, Ripple is one of the best healers, and I am one of the best tanks..

They have no tank and 3 GREAT DPS toons.

Essentially what it comes down to is can we kill them before they can 1 shot us.. and we have to do alot of clicking for our builds.. all they have to do is replace auras once we apoc/shatter maybe use an angel later in the match..

A counter is something that allows you to prevent a build from functioning at full force.

Cyress for example, had an entire gem line and legendary proc to counter DoT's (cures). The newly released piercer is a counter to my class (not my build however cause I can out regen the damage..) Ripple has a skill AND a gem to counter his heals (gravebound)

They have, Apoc/Shatter/Sloth.. There is nothing to actually slow the regen down.. like I said there are so many regen auras, with deft draws apoc is useless.. even if u hit a slow before it cause it barely slows deft down.. and shattering is good for nothing again because of how many auras there are..

but to simply be able to use deft to constantly draw auras, and wait for the arena bonus.. pretty lame

I've given this legitmate reason to why its over powered so many times..because in the end they could have 300 str/200 dex and 100 agi/100 cnt and stack duration and regen.. eventually they will 1hit most teams..

[Lurkee]

fair enough, fair enough

[Jadakris]

Yea well, I happen to think these things out and weigh options before I spout random crap out like most people.. believe it or not..

[Lurkee]

whoa buddy, let's not go insulting hoodrat like that

[paulodjohn]

Lets face the facts. No team every finishes high in arena without having some sort of heals. Regen is a way of healing.

Not that hard to counter it with the right gear and gems. I can think of many many ways. I wont give them away for obvious reasons but if glitch wants to know he can, in case he is thinking of nerfing regen. As a regener you will have less str/dex then most melee builds since you need a couple hundred reg stats. So they will have less chance to do high damage and hit as much as others. Not one single team has used an APO on the team in question yet. not saying it will work every time. But if timed right with the apo you should be able to kill a regen pretty fast when its well into damage boost.

Their is a lot more strategy going on then any of you notice, its not as simple as just getting runes gems and 600 reg.

[Jadakris]

And you are missing the point.. There aren't any ways to truly COUNTER regen only ways to defeat people using it..

Ofcourse you are going to defend it, but fact is many people who have done it myself, Aesonicus.. and a few others agree that its over powered.

I'm not even asking for a mega nerf. I was one of the people saying that reg should have had more of a purpose all along, but it should be more like I do it.. and not overkilled because it's exploitable atm.

Cause you keep falling back to the same arguement.. "well you have to sacrifice..." which is complete and utter garbage. Last I inspected Slashh He had 500 STR 250-300 DEX.. which is completely sufficent to hit about 75-90% of max damage consistently. Which becomes quite alot when your in bonus damage.

He also had 200 AGI and 240 CNT and 400 DUR.. which again works alot better than you would think with proper skills.

to go along with his 550 regen. Which has absolutely no way to be slowed/mitigated..


In short, there isn't that much strategy involved.. If your referring to using low rank aura so you can get and even HUGER boost to your damage, and shuffling taunts.. using other types of auras etc.. its nothing special.. just using a very broken system..

but when you can give me valid proof of how my response to Lurkee is invalid.. then you can talk..

But for now enjoy using the bonus to win matches, and hopefully Glitch will actually look into this.

[paulodjohn]

I don't see why people that don't even bother to try set up against a regen team think it deserves a nerf. And your team has no problems with a regen team. 3 toons with 40b+ xp and fully lg gear are going to be doing well in arena either way.

[Master]

I'm tired of people saying its easy.. There is more strategy than you think.... Untill someone can do it and prove to me it's easy to use in arena and win then they can't really talk about it. I didn't like regen either. Scrambles pissed me off but I was still able to kill him with the proper strategy 1v1... I used his basic build idea and I made some adjustments and came up with what I have now. Same for the team that I put together... It took a lot of thought and preparation. Just because people are set in their ways and not willing to adjust like I was does not give them the right to cry out for a nerf. You all have accurate points but just because they are accurate doesn't mean it's overpowered. IMO and I have tried all builds.... The most op is still bm and dots. Because they can do awesome pvp and pve... Not all builds can. Again, I can't kill über high bosses anymore... And again... I went from the known fastest farmer in game at the time to 45 secs dam boss... Was doing 8-14 secs before that.... So YES I do sacrifice a bit. I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just trying to throw some facts out there for you all to think about. Cys team is op and will beat thorins team a lot... Only way to beat them in arena is activity.. Oa has a great team too... They could very well win every time with the proper set up but nororse is stubborn and will never change a few things... Useagle team could also win against us every time with proper strategy... BUT if or when they all implement these proper setups. I would be thrilled from the great challenge and then just work on another idea to counter there counter. It's apart of the pvp system and it can be beaten... Just sacrifices have to be made in areas that most don't want to make.