Bow and Staff

[Huggles]

Bump

[Nurvus]

Okay, how about this:
With Bow & Staff equipped, you get an appropriate penalty to both the auto-shot speed & gem draw speed, and you do not start with a gem in your draw slot (Divination), nor the first gem of your pouch in play (Sleight of Hand).

Huggles' idea is too biased towards casters wanting to have a Bow, and doesn't give a damn about Archers who might want to have a Staff.

My counter-suggestion would be a little more fair, as it would allow Archers to benefit from it as well, sacrificing some raw Bow power, for more gem power, becoming able to produce stronger Bladows, etc.

[Darkdingus]

I like Nurvus' idea, but I think Huggles is right in making it a caster-only-buff.

Not very certain archers need this kind of buff, but since Tank-Archers are all the rage, making archers back to the DPS-Maniacs they used to be sounds rather cool. The real flaw here is: "What would casters gain from bows?" - "More stats, epic procs" - This does NOT warrant a nerf to draw speed.
"What would archers gain from staves?" - Drastic double-damage increase to poison and burn gems. Chance to poison everyone (and Bladow everyone too!). Faster draw speed. Diminished costs on all gems. Extra manergy. More Cnc than they could throw a stick at. Better heal gems. Better shield gems. Just to name a few... Can anyone spell the word O.V.E.R.K.I.L.L?

Here's a thought. Speed nerfs, Bowshots cannot proc Bladow while staff-wielding, no damage buff to gems while autoshooting. It would grant DD-Archers a much-needed buff (since the cost-reduction and extra manergy would still be active), they'd get extra CnC for far stronger attacks, better heals and shields and faster gemdraw. How does that sound?

[Nurvus]

Darkdingus, in my opinion, neither the Casters nor the Archers need a buff, so let's forget about the buff entirely.

Your "O.V.E.R.K.I.L.L." theory only makes sense if you didn't read my post properly:

Originally Posted by Nurvus

With Bow & Staff equipped, you get an appropriate penalty to both the auto-shot speed & gem draw speed,

My idea is not meant to make Archers stronger at being archers, or casters stronger at being casters.

Since I suggest nerfing the auto-shot speed, gem draw speed, and you don't start with the first gem of your pouch in play (Sleight of Hand), nor do you draw a gem immediately (Divination), it's simply about allowing a more "hybrid" caster-archer build style, that's all.

[Darkdingus]

Originally Posted by Nurvus

Darkdingus, in my opinion, neither the Casters nor the Archers need a buff, so let's forget about the buff entirely.

Your "O.V.E.R.K.I.L.L." theory only makes sense if you didn't read my post properly

I read your post. I disagree about your opinion, but that's what opinions are about, right? I think that with the release of legendary weapons, people that get an extra proc will get the upper hand on those that do not. (unless they release Legendary-Quality gems, that is)

I think only nerfing draw speed would not hinder archers enough, and would nerf casters too much. This is the reason my suggestion also implied removing Bladow altogether when using both staff and bow, along with a few more damage nerfs to gems cast by archers. Staff + Bow would bring back DD archers, one more option for Archer/Caster hybrids that is seldom-used nowadays, without buffing DoT damage significantly.

[Nurvus]

Simply put, I was answering to this:

Originally Posted by Darkdingus

Not very certain archers need this kind of buff,

What buff?
I never said anything about a buff.
I didn't even suggest any specific numbers. So what calculations did you use to read a buff out of my suggestion?

Now this does show indeed you didn't read my post:

Originally Posted by Darkdingus

I think only nerfing draw speed would not hinder archers enough, and would nerf casters too much.

I did mention appropriate penalties to draw speed and auto-shot speed.

Thus, if I don't think Archers or Casters need a buff, the penalties would have to be enough so that it isn't a buff.

Casters don't need the Bow or Quiver stats. Thus if they get them, there needs to be a penalty, just like Archers get a penalty for wearing Shield.

Wearing Staff and Bow, considering all the bonuses, needs to be penalizing to both the Archer side, and the Caster side.

Having said that, I agree that the Draw speed penalty can be lower than the auto-shot penalty, because Archers benefit alot more from having a Staff, than Casters do from a Bow.

[chloe]

as a hybrid healer, a bow user, i dont think i need a buff. however if this goes through, so far most of it feels like a nerf. hence why i am against it.

if casters do need a buff, please think of a diffrent way

[Nurvus]

How can it be a nerf, if no one is forcing you to wear Staff & Bow?

[Bren_nerb]

Originally Posted by chloe

Blah blah blah blah blah

On and on and on like a broken record. You said no, must you leave 20 zillion other comments annoying supporters with your sarcastic comments about arses and lightning. Don't you have some GREEN grass to go protest ....

Support as long as it's restricted to a bow and not arrow and quiver.
I think being able to get triple hit bonus on staff from a 9 bow is a nice idea :3