lava vein quiver

[Hoodrat]

Is it really worth the gold to purchase this bow when there are other pieces of equipment that would be more worthwhile ??

[Claudia]

well considering it's a quiver and not a bow :P but no, not really, stats are phail and lack of proc makes it worse, at least stats like on the LG staff of +30 to magic/melee/def/rec would have compensated for lack of proc... but just as it is, it's useless (as far as i see it ofcourse)

[Lurkee]

Bad for archers, good for non archers. It's not rocket science, it's a quiver with high stats.

[Raith]

No, it isn't rocket science, and the stats on it are really good, not really bad. Archers can go -Str, melee'rs can go -Int, and it fits a bigger stone than any quiver so far.

But it's not just 'bad for archers, good for non archers' it's totally unusable for archers, good for non archers. Seeing the difference isn't rocket science either. Nobody gets a piece of gear that is unusably bad except this one, which is unusably bad for an archer.

[Conqueror]

If someone were to use the entire demontendon set:

average damage = 243
delay = 47 / 1.1
dpd = 5.69

In comparison, the soulthief epic set:

average damage = 281/2
delay = 34 / 1.36 / 1.1
dpd = 6.18

[Fior]

Right now maybe we can w8 bad crushers for crusher players, bad slashers for slasher players, bad piercers for piercer players, bad whips and bad pets for tank players.

And when archers can w8 piercer or whips who will be good and have many good options to help archers ?


Edit :

Lg Cudgel of Solar Fury 2H crusher - damage 9-319, delay 35

Lg Bloodboiling Beheader 2H slasher - damage 21-289, delay 33

Lg Demonblood Ranseur 2H piercer - damage 47-271, delay 34

Lg Wrapped Ebonbone Staff - damage 48-238, delay 39

compared with

Lg Demontendon Bow - damage 14-278, delay 47
Lg Demontooth Arrow - damage 1-193

[marzus]

Archers have powerfull legendary archer set, don`t whine like this.. This quiver is good only for meleers. Actually there is an incredible proc given legendary weapon(1h pierce) and a stat given legendary weapon ( boulder tail whip). If you don`t like this one don`t use it.. use the other one. Now quit your whining.

[Darkdingus]

Originally Posted by Fior

Lg Cudgel of Solar Fury 2H crusher - damage 9-319, delay 35

Lg Bloodboiling Beheader 2H slasher - damage 21-289, delay 33

Lg Demonblood Ranseur 2H piercer - damage 47-271, delay 34

Lg Wrapped Ebonbone Staff - damage 48-238, delay 39

compared with

Lg Demontendon Bow - damage 14-278, delay 47
Lg Demontooth Arrow - damage 1-193

Care to try and use the demontendon bow and arrow with the Thunder Eye Quiver?

43% haste, 10% max damage.

The delay becomes 33.
The full damage becomes 15-518

Let me requote the slasher for convenience's sake:
Bloodboiling Beheader 2H slasher - damage 21-289, delay 33

Same delay, but how does the bow's damage total compare? Oh, IT FAR OUTCLASSES IT.

[Conqueror]

That is an invalid comparison. You can't compare across weapon types. The skills that apply to each are different.

[Fior]

I don't say anything. I just posted the damage and delay of bows and 2H weapons for comparison.

Also must compared speed of gems and damage and add damage with staff. And it is important to remember, archers have much less defence then melee players and casters(in my case 46 less points of defence that mean minus 138 stat points).

[Thomas Jordan]

Well, the comparison actually is somewhat fair so far as different play styles can be compared at all.

What's left out is the 2H slasher is a single item that costs what, 30 million or so? (Not in the market for one, so don't really know). The arrow cost me 19 million. The going price on the fast quiver is 28 million. I'm estimating the high damage bow at around 30 million. So about 2.5 times the cost to buy all three items. Once all three pieces are equipped, then skills etc do start counting.

I don't object to Glitch introducing items into the game, such as this quiver, that are useful to non-archers, but I wish he had done it after he had finished introducing all the bow related items that are useful to archers. This quiver is not useful to an archer. And I suspect it will be a while before any non-archers buy it strictly for its extra stats and enchanting possibilities.

[Glitchless]

Casters didn't cry like this when the melee and archer gems came out. You guys need to take it easy.

[paulodjohn]

We also didn't cry when no legend gems came out with legend weapons/bowsets/pets. YOU tell em glitch!

[marzus]

Well.. gems are not the same with the weapons, so there is something logical in this. Probably there will be legendary gems too... in the far away future,maybe!

[Master]

Glitchless lets give you a raise! Make tcs 6 bucks now... You done good work sir

[beetdabrat]

Originally Posted by Darkdingus

Care to try and use the demontendon bow and arrow with the Thunder Eye Quiver?

43% haste, 10% max damage.

The delay becomes 33.
The full damage becomes 15-518

Let me requote the slasher for convenience's sake:
Bloodboiling Beheader 2H slasher - damage 21-289, delay 33

Same delay, but how does the bow's damage total compare? Oh, IT FAR OUTCLASSES IT.

Base chance to crit with slasher at 100 crit and 2h = 55% to do 3x normal damage at 100 overcrit.
Base chance to do a ranged crit at 100 crit and serial crit = 32% to do 1.65x more normal damage.

So 55% chance to do up to 867 damage
and 32% chance to do 854.7

Avg damage is 165 on the slasher and 266.5 on the bowset.

Slasher:
So 165 * 0.45 = 74.25
165 * 0.55 * 3 = 272.25
= 346.5 avg damage

Bowset:
266.5 * 0.68 = 181.22
266.5 * 1.65 * 0.32 = 140.712
= 321.932 avg damage

This is just comparing crits and non crits. There are still multi hits and gear procs etc, but that would take long. This gives an idea of how close they actually are. Basically the reason why bowsets have such a high base damage is because melee can crit more often or has two weapons to attack with.

To clarify I am a 2h slasher warrior,
Beet Da Brat

Originally Posted by Thomas Jordan

Well, the comparison actually is somewhat fair so far as different play styles can be compared at all.

What's left out is the 2H slasher is a single item that costs what, 30 million or so? (Not in the market for one, so don't really know). The arrow cost me 19 million. The going price on the fast quiver is 28 million. I'm estimating the high damage bow at around 30 million. So about 2.5 times the cost to buy all three items. Once all three pieces are equipped, then skills etc do start counting.

I don't object to Glitch introducing items into the game, such as this quiver, that are useful to non-archers, but I wish he had done it after he had finished introducing all the bow related items that are useful to archers. This quiver is not useful to an archer. And I suspect it will be a while before any non-archers buy it strictly for its extra stats and enchanting possibilities.

I'm waiting to see if there are bow sets with procs that help melee myself. There are 15 sets to be discovered.

Beet Da Brat

[Fior]

19+28+30 mill cost for bow set, and don't forget about many epic high lvl gems who need to fill pouch (about 2 mill per one single R20 gem).
Also many trophies to burn to upcraft many skills for magic damage/heal gems, shield and pet.
So... high damage of archers and low defence compensates all that. Niiiiice.

[>.>]

archers only have low defense if you build them that way

[Atropos]

Right now maybe we can w8 bad crushers for crusher players, bad slashers for slasher players, bad piercers for piercer players, bad whips and bad pets for tank players

They are not bad if you know how to use them (if it fits your build). Cry me a river

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

Casters didn't cry like this when the melee and archer gems came out. You guys need to take it easy.

This takes me back to the good old days when there was a "buff archers" thread every day. So many flamewars