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06-28-2012, 07:02 AM
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Boss Hunter
Ballrog is offline
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Melee players of Nod have been asking for buffs for a very long time to make them competitive with casters in pvp. Congratulations to Glitch for making this possible with the 2h Legendary Crusher. This 'buff' has made all other classes useless. I have 10k hit points on 'Ballrog', and a team with 2 players with 2h Legendary Crushers one hit killed me. My alt is a pretty decent shield using tank. Two seconds later, they destroyed my tank and killed him as if he was wearing nothing. **And no, both toons did not go into arena fight with nothing on. They both had their correct pvp gear equipped during fight. ** No caster or any other build has ever been able to kill my two toons this quickly.
I think this is fantastic for melee players. This topic is to let folks know that if you want to be competitive in Arena, you must have a melee build. Imo, if you are a tank, a caster of any kind or a Bow user, STOP what you are doing. Reroll or rebuild to a melee build. All gold and time invested in any other build is a complete waste of your time and resources............at least until Glitch adds a buff to counter what he has done for melee-ers.
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06-28-2012, 07:12 AM
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Yup this is the problem with that crusher and the slasher. 20% chance to hit? That's ****ing huge and I'm assuming it works against blocking, meaning it's a biiig tank nerf.
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06-28-2012, 07:16 AM
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I'm the third member of this team. I went into the fight with 9.5k hit points and 3k armor. I was their third target after they demolished Ballrog and Demosthenes, and lasted maybe 10 seconds. As Ball said, it was as if all three of us were fighting with empty equipment sets.
What makes this interesting is yesterday we fought this same team (prior to them purchasing two of the 2H legendary crushers) and won all three fights; not easily, but we won them. This morning, they destroyed us almost as soon as the battle started. That's a heck of change caused by just one (ok, two, since two of them were using it) weapon.
I'm all for non-caster increases in performance, but that wild of a swing seems a bit extreme.
No, this isn't a "whine" by Ball or me. Just a heads up the 2H legendary crusher is the new nuclear weapon in Nod.
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06-28-2012, 07:45 AM
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haha..... again damn complainers.....it was possible to 1 hit kill before legendary weapons... now its just a little bit easier. Have done myself lots of 1hit kills in arena with epic 2handers so nothing new.
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06-28-2012, 07:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Jordan
Just a heads up the 2H legendary crusher is the new nuclear weapon in Nod.
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Slasher usually does more damage so just wait fro 2h slasher 
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06-28-2012, 07:47 AM
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ohh oohhh hohhh and Legendary Staff..... there has not been one yet..... dont think that will be any less weaker 
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06-28-2012, 07:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tartz
haha..... again damn complainers.....it was possible to 1 hit kill before legendary weapons... now its just a little bit easier. Have done myself lots of 1hit kills in arena with epic 2handers so nothing new.
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I am not complaining, read my post again tartz. It is to make folks aware of what is happening in-game.
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06-28-2012, 07:52 AM
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every new thing brings changes...... im pretty sure legendary gems are comeing too someday... dont wanna know what damage those gonna do.....
But yea.... that 2h crusher team i have met myself too...... cut through my shield pretty fast  
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06-28-2012, 08:12 AM
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I do believe being an epic player will change aspects of this. Doubling your HP is pretty significant.
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06-28-2012, 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wob
But yea, people complain to much. First ask for casters to be buffed, once they were so damn OP people asked about Meelee buffs and now that Meelees are so OP people complain again????
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Again, i am not complaining. i am a melee build. Please read my post again. Nothing in there says that 'this sucks', or 'this is unfair'. I clearly made a post to help other players (who have pvp builds) of what the strongest pvp build is right now imo.
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06-28-2012, 09:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tartz
ohh oohhh hohhh and Legendary Staff..... there has not been one yet..... dont think that will be any less weaker 
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this ^
For so long casters have been the nuke of the arena, and melee toons had no role in an arena team unless they had OP 2h skills or they were a tank, and even the 2hers werent as powerful as the caster, well now the caster has met his match and its time for the casters to see how it feels to be on the other side of getting crapped on by powerful weapons.. of course i cant speak very much im not in arena this season yet (starting to build up tank skills before i reenter)
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06-28-2012, 09:23 AM
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OMG OMG OMG... everyone in this thread is not new...
remember when 99 epics came out to over throw the 88 armor and 84 pierce, 89 crusher, and 81 slasher..... OP OP OP!!!!
dont state facts... dont complain (not saying that you are.... althou it kinda sounds like it in a kinda passive agressive way)... get a leg'dry wep yourself and buck up.... wish i had one... b/c I know that THAT will make me if not equal... atleast as competetive as those who now posses these new wep's.
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06-28-2012, 09:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RogueTigeR
remember when 99 epics came out to over throw the 88 armor and 84 pierce, 89 crusher, and 81 slasher..... OP OP OP!!!!
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This Christ! How about when Dots where a joke or that DDs couldn't even level to cap let alone compete with 1h crushers!
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06-28-2012, 09:17 PM
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Staves are a part of Nod wepons, so there must be Lg staves in the future 
I hope so :3
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06-29-2012, 02:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot64
Yup this is the problem with that crusher and the slasher. 20% chance to hit? That's ****ing huge and I'm assuming it works against blocking, meaning it's a biiig tank nerf.
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The +% chance to hit does not lower the blocking percentage. A proper tank with a good healer will still be able to do some crazy things as far as survivability is concerned. I wouldn't expect anyone to live more than a couple seconds if they're not a tank and they're being attacked by two legendary wielding foes. Terror is absolutely correct in foreseeing the epic player hitpoint buff balancing out what may seem like unsurvivable alpha damage from slow 2 handers.
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06-29-2012, 03:12 AM
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Does the bonus +% to hit lowers chance of opponent to parry?  If Yes, then Tacticians will suffer a lot from these weapons :|
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06-29-2012, 04:53 AM
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No. It only involves hit/miss hit/resist.
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06-29-2012, 10:31 AM
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A bow with 200-300 base damage: trishot/megacrit can instant kill too.
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06-29-2012, 01:15 PM
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Strikethrough is what is reducing your chance to block/parry. But that was available before the lg weaps came out. That and crushers tend have a lot of str which reduces that further.
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06-29-2012, 04:00 PM
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Boss Hunter
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with out reading one post in here im going to just assume people are crying
Suck it up and move on.. I had to do the same
This game changes every so often, GET USED TO IT... one class will be op for awhile then it will be another class thats op for awhile, I think this is fair.. Just do what i do and level ALL skills.... Seriously.... all the crying has been making me sick to the point i have almost all chat options off.
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