Boss drop reset

[solopixy]

Originaly i planed to write walls of text here, but no point, so try to say it simple

Glitch, will you reconsider your decision that is not boss drops reset after reroll?
Can you change this to-1 reroll limit to evry 2 or 3 months with boss drops reset


Because, out there are some ppl who dont have 5-10 caped toons who can feed them with trophies and gold, and some of that toons was given after original owners quits.
Boss drops are only income that some players can count on. Person who first time play game need about 150k for basic travel gear (torch, goggles, alk diving gear, shoes, acg) 67 armor set cost about 800k more or less, they can get that gold with beging or working on it, they dont be rich if they get boss drops again if they are reroll.

If nodiatis is land, than glitch is goverment here, pls dont punish ordinary citizens if some elites breaks the rules.

P.S. sorry on grammary

[hotshot64]

Honestly with the cost of travel gear, those drops weren't ever all that much profit.

[Darkdingus]

Now that people keep travel gear, the drops become less meaningful.

[Thomas Jordan]

I've never rerolled, and have no plans to ever reroll, so I can't speak from first hand experience.

Still, from what I've seen in clan chat and civil chat, Solopixy raises some valid points.

First, not everyone has an army of alts to feed a rerolled character with gold (and trophies and free PLs, etc). Some rerolled characters seem to be woefully short of gold because they spent all of it buying time cards and/or trophies to raise their total XP as high as possible just prior to rerolling. I'm always seeing folks who just rerolled asking for loans (or gifts) to purchase even low level weapons and armor.

While killing low level bosses may not provide a lot of gold (as some players have stated in these forums), it does provide help towards getting that low level armor and weapon(s). Letting them retain their travel gear is certainly nice, and saves some gold; it doesn't save all that much unless the character had a compass.

It does seem like legitimate rerollers have been punished for the abuses of a couple players. It does seem like a better solution would be to set the boss timer to much longer than one week. Solopixy suggested two or three months. That would eliminate the abuse, while still providing legitimate rerollers with a source of income to help out with the lower level armor and weapons.

[brow]

Support. Don't hurt the little people cause the big people got greedy. 60 or 90 day boss run reroll reset ftw

[Gurnison]

I think the solution is far out of proportion to the problem. Eliminating boss drops is a serious demotivator. While the cost of rerolling may not seem like much to some, it's a major cost to many. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I don't even see boss drops as the real exploit anyway. The exploit is the idea that someone can power level to cap in a day. There is a serious problem elsewhere if that can be done. There have already been at least two patches to curtail power leveling and neither did much good.

Another thing about eliminating boss drops is that it detracts from game play. It's seems like less of a game without them. Boss drops are like Christmas presents. You get the drop and it's like lemme see lemme see!! In group fights people leave the drop showing for a while so others can see what they got. It's simply part of the game.

3 months or even 6 months reset time should be more than enough.

I'd also suggest severely nerfing power leveling. One day to cap, or even one week to cap is far too fast and shouldn't be possible. Play the damn game already and quit trying to bypass it. I'm pretty sure there are old time capped players who have never once played the game completely through.

[Darkdingus]

Originally Posted by Thomas Jordan

First, not everyone has an army of alts to feed a rerolled character with gold (and trophies and free PLs, etc). Some rerolled characters seem to be woefully short of gold because they spent all of it buying time cards and/or trophies to raise their total XP as high as possible just prior to rerolling. I'm always seeing folks who just rerolled asking for loans (or gifts) to purchase even low level weapons and armor.
While killing low level bosses may not provide a lot of gold (as some players have stated in these forums), it does provide help towards getting that low level armor and weapon(s). Letting them retain their travel gear is certainly nice, and saves some gold; it doesn't save all that much unless the character had a compass.

- So, people need gold because they tried to abuse the reroll system instead of using it the normal way? I'm pretty fine with that. If you reroll with your full stuff, you basically get back half the gold it cost you unless you were buying legendaries (which means you were rich in the first place)

Originally Posted by Thomas Jordan

It does seem like legitimate rerollers have been punished for the abuses of a couple players. It does seem like a better solution would be to set the boss timer to much longer than one week. Solopixy suggested two or three months. That would eliminate the abuse, while still providing legitimate rerollers with a source of income to help out with the lower level armor and weapons.

I am a legitimate reroller, that didn't spend all his gold on raising boon xp, something I consider to be a form of abuse as much as secret PKs are - A way to work around the system to gain some benefits, that remains legal all the same.
I spent a few M gold to get back to cap. So what? I knew where I was going, and I didn't mind.

[solopixy]

Also, Glitch can think about this solution too:
- reroll limit on 2-3 months with boss drop reset and remove static location for all non-travel gear droping boss (if it possible, if not than to all boses).
That will affect on 2 ways - it will reduce even more chance to exploit boss drops
because ppl must actualy stay in some area for more
time till run on random boss- no more killing 20
bosses in half hour
- and second, removing boss drops game actually
lose reason to ppl gruop,they was grouping for
bosses and high lvl area farming, now if they want
they must be able to solo kill him or find group that
need that boss and farm till get it

[gailenstryker]

Glitch could also limit your ability to reroll to 1-3 times per month or even start charging 1 TC per reroll. It would make it less enticing to reroll then PL, reroll then PL, etc.

[cyric]

O.K.
Juran here, lol i tried so hard to resist but i fail miserably so here goes folk,

as most of you know i have rerolled my main and my alts many many times(stop smirking) here's how it goes my alts were mostly spare and unsettled at the time so i would buy them goggles and alkaline suit force level them all by myself i might add easy make a 100k per alt from level 1 to level 33 then whip them up to 53 very easily get 1 acg pass it around my 4 -5 alts and make a further 600k+ gold per char from 33 to 53 reroll them and repeat every 2 weeks so for a small lay out of 200k or so i would net 3mil or so every 2 weeks .
Now i was very suprised disappointed and rather pissed off to find that all of a sudden it was an exploit and a reward of 50 tcs was given out for something that every1 knew i was doing for the last 3 years was suddenly oh so wrong.
How the hell was it an exploit when they were your alts that you had spent real money on upgrading them i might add were suddenly not allowed to be used for a purpose and also did you not think 50tcs ($250) not including discounts was a bit bloody extravagant?
anyway there you go ive said my bit and yes it was profitable if you put the work in as it kept my main in face a few times and stopped me from being bored. now feel free to flame me because frankly my dears i dont give a damn

[Gurnison]

edit: OK, I wrote this before seeing Juran's post, and this somewhat overlaps what he said.

What I'm curious about is whether reroll/boss drops were really being abused in the first place?

The scenario originally described by Hopi seems like a heck of a lot of work. It requires OP PLers at several levels including capped toons. I see how the boss drops can be profitable, but is it really worth all that time and work for the OP toons? Or could boss drop farming just be an alternative way of playing rather than an abuse?

I know for me, I've been at cap for over 3 years and bottom line is that farming my main is boring. Max penalty and throwing huge numbers of trophies at the altar for a single ding isn't much fun. Even though it's far less profitable, I much prefer playing my low level alts and rerolling every now and then to playing my main.

So is boss drop farming really an abuse or just an alternative play style that might be less profitable than straight farming?


Now to address Juran's post. Now that some numbers have been thrown out there, the question becomes, is 3 mill in 2 weeks more profitable than spending the same amount of time farming, resourcing, crafting, etc?

On the other hand, there has been more than one patch just because Glitchless wanted people to play a certain way. Obviously with a 50TC reward Glitch really doesn't want people doing this whether it's considered an exploit or not.

With the assumption that Glitchless really doesn't want this going on, there are better ways to address the issue.

[solopixy]

i wasnt reroll my main toon before, after spending 5 mill gold to bring suiting on 95 and archery on 99 and another 15 to buy bow, arrow and legend bp, frankly i dont see reason why i reroll it for 2 mill gold from boss drops, and all of that without boon
Last my alt was rerolled way before boon comes out, but if you rermmeber when boon come out and especialy when legends implement 80% of caped toons rerolled, Why?
So what is point- i was doing that before few times and now i am OP but you are forbden do do it- (and that is not adressed to you juran, you are the one of players who dont hold anything and you allways know what think), and btw, there is some newest films to qoute than gone with wind