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Old 05-05-2012, 08:48 AM   #1
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Thumbs up shield archery please undo 50% less chance to block

Jeff I understand the speed slowdown for equiping a shield but please undo the 50% less chance to block nurf! for archers having this in place makes selecting guardian class as 2ndry a non starter!

Give us some chance of deffending ourselfs propperly after all we dont have angelic gems to help us out !! and now with this new nurf to shield users in general in arena! i might as well be holding up wet tissue paper even with 100 suiting 97 blocking 97 deflective shield and a legendry shield and stone rune on it doesnt do a lot!

could you at least change the kiting skill to effect a chance to avoid all incoming damage not just melee? that would be a major help to all archery users

thanks for listening Jeff
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:42 PM   #2
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:22 PM   #3
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zomgwtfbbq We can't tank as well as Melee Shielders! Jeff fix it plox archers need another buff!
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:28 PM   #4
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i would support, but runews has proved how good of a tank an archer can be.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:39 AM   #5
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:58 AM   #6
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:03 AM   #7
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Shield archers have more dps than true tank shield users, therefore they have less blocking. I don't support.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:48 AM   #8
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Ok, i fully support this. I know some oped archers as Chris and they need a bit more buff imo not more nerfs.

Daer, i'm a true tank shield user, i've got less dps than chris, but no way he can ever beat me i block him a lot.

Archers are not like casters and everyone knows this. They're better from last buff's but still are behind (imo again).

+10 support i wanna see chris get payed back on his effort on his char.
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:08 AM   #9
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Ok casters have dps but where is defense ?

Casters cannot wield shield , cannot wield bow set as well (which greatly increase stats) and if DD's use angelic their DD's are nerfed.

I will support it if casters were allow having bow set - 500% slower archery is fine by me - just need to be able to hunt and use some extra stats.

How is it easier to equip bow with 2h crusher (weighting 20x more) than tiny long stick ?
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:18 AM   #10
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Well, casters can heal themselves for huge amounts, i'm a melee user and i'm excited how well healing gems work atm.

Of course archers can also heal, but only casters can get full bonuses on those.

Who in nod really thinks casters are not the best classes in the game? cmon even those of you who are casters know you're awesome farming, and maybe the best classes on pvp with tanks. Yeah i know a caster is tougher in low levels, but we know everyone can go crusher till caster starts working and from that point they can get higher faster than any other class.

Anyway, i support casters having bow set, so you can resource without having to get the staff out and get some more stats (with a nerf in other areas or buff to other classes).
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Old 05-06-2012, 08:21 AM   #11
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Of course also, caster cannot afk farming, that's why i don't have a caster because everyone will tell me with my posts that if casters are so good, why not going for that. No... my playstyle at nod is more compatible with afk-farming i cannot work and click gems all the time .

You'll tell me now gtfo but i'll tell you i'm not the only non-caster in the game that has this feeling.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:03 AM   #12
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I will leave my input here, not because I want a buff. I don't really care about that anymore to be honest.

I am commenting here because I have tried this build and I want to share my experience (take it for whatever it is worth - which is probably not much).

A few things to note:
I did not have a guardian secondary. My str was not negatively enchanted (but I did not boost it either). My agi was around 300 - 400 (it has been a while - I probably tried different amounts and do not remember exactly what I did). I was not using a legendary shield (they had just come out at the time).

My shield related skills were pretty decent (80 + in everything that works while autoshooting) which like a year ago was not that bad I suppose - I could have raised these skills even further but...

I always found that two whips worked a lot better than a shield/whip combo and a shield/1 hander combo for an archer. I had around 90 in all bm skills. When I dueled, fought bosses, did arena etc etc, I tended to perform better with 2 whips than with a shield combo.

The problem, in essence, is that a typical archer is not going to have the stats needed in order to block properly. With dex, pst, int, cnc, mst, agi, cnt and dur being necessary - the most over stretched build in the game, there is really not that much room left over for str - which basically does nothing else for an archer except maybe provide a small increase to block chance). On top of that, the 50 % block penalty just makes a shield sort of worthless. With a whip, there is growl, pretty decent dps and heals. With a shield, there is a very low chance to block. Take your pick.

I sort of understand where Chris is coming from though. A legendary shield is a big investment. I grew disillusioned with the shield archer build a long time ago while trying it out with an epic shield. Chris has more at stake here I suppose.

If you really insist on using a shield as an auto-shooter, pick a guardian secondary, boost your str big time and raise your agi as well. I am sure that it can work. But you will never really be as good of a tank as a melee tank. That is a given. And it sort of makes sense too. Melee shield users have an empty hand to wield a shield. Archers need to use both hands in order to shoot making the usage of a shield cumbersome (hence the penalty).

Also, I think Runews has been using a melee configuration in order to tank recently. That is another option. Have a second suit that you can switch to and use autoattack instead of autoshoot when tanking.

Also do ranged shield users actually have higher dps ? I keep hearing people say this but if you account for deflects, bash etc etc, that might not necessarily be the case.

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I will support it if casters were allow having bow set - 500% slower archery is fine by me - just need to be able to hunt and use some extra stats.
I am all for allowing casters to equip archery sets now. With Raiden armor, casters are already pushing 1500 + magic as is. What difference will an archery set make. I support.
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:41 AM   #13
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If need str to block, archers have no str. For that, chance for archers to blocking is very lower comparing with melee toon. Archers can use just testudo properly.

And now, with new skill - Sacred Defender - bladow become useless.

EDIT : If casters can use bow same time with staff why not archers can use staff same time with bow ?

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Old 05-06-2012, 12:06 PM   #14
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If need str to block, archers have no str. For that, chance for archers to blocking is very lower comparing with melee toon. Archers can use just testudo properly.

And now, with new skill - Sacred Defender - bladow become useless.

EDIT : If casters can use bow same time with staff why not archers can use staff same time with bow ?
Fior do you even play the game? You think casters can use a bow with a staff? And you think that bladow is useless? I guess you're the only one in PvP who only ends up fighting shield users since they're so OP in PvP *rollseyes*
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:34 PM   #15
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Lurkee:

Do you even read before you post? Plenty of people today are requesting that casters be allowed to equip a bow, arrow and quiver. Fior's point is turnabout is fair play. If a caster can equip a bow set, then an archer should be allowed to equip a staff.

Second, Glitchless has said that bladow is now a lot less effective because of Sacred Defender. Not Fior, Glitchless.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:39 PM   #16
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Do you even read before you post? Plenty of people today are requesting that casters be allowed to equip a bow, arrow and quiver. Fior's point is turnabout is fair play. If a caster can equip a bow set, then an archer should be allowed to equip a staff.

Second, Glitchless has said that bladow is now a lot less effective because of Sacred Defender. Not Fior, Glitchless.
Ya, against shield users who are the very same people you want to buff. So you're basically saying buff my arrow shield build because bladow sucks vs. shields. It's retarded.
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Ya, against shield users who are the very same people you want to buff. So you're basically saying buff my arrow shield build because bladow sucks vs. shields. It's retarded.
Please check your use of pronouns. The only comment I have made about this was pointing out that you pointlessly attacked Fior because he was 1) asking for fair play if caster's get buffed, which they are requesting, and 2) paraphrasing a statement from Glitchless about bladow. Yet again it appears you haven't read the discussions about this topic.
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:47 PM   #19
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Why are we all always arguing?
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Please check your use of pronouns. The only comment I have made about this was pointing out that you pointlessly attacked Fior because he was 1) asking for fair play if caster's get buffed, which they are requesting, and 2) paraphrasing a statement from Glitchless about bladow. Yet again it appears you haven't read the discussions about this topic.
I accept your forfeit.
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