Old 05-02-2012, 04:55 PM   #21
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None of these prevent PLAYER KILLING, they prevent setup kills for the 3x trophy bonus. You would still be able to kill anyone you can kill now, you just wouldn't get the 3x bonus for killing certain people (namely alts)
I'm not confused; I understand what you're proposing. I just have a different fundemental view that more pk accounts in the game, set ups or not, would make the game more entertaining, active and fun.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:56 PM   #22
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It's exciting watching naked alts get killed 10 times a day?
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:03 PM   #23
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Then go hunt the PKs and put them out of business.
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I can't, for one, and two, it's not pk's i have a problem with, but those who are essentially cheating to get the bonus.
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If the alternative is nothing, then yes, more exciting. You should consider the possibility, however remote, that someone that does not agree with you is not by definition wrong and needs flaming. It's all just our opinions and I happen to disagree with this one.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:30 PM   #26
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I'm not flaming you, nor am I saying you're wrong. However, before anyone will ever do real pking in the numbers they used to, there will need to be changes made so a) setup pking doesn't exist and b) there's a real incentive to do real pking. I've seen 2 successful real pk's in the last...year or so? I'd like to see more.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:30 PM   #27
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i wasnt even going to respond to this thread because #1 i figured it would just be a flame fest and #2 because i am torn in my opinion. but im bored so here is my input, as i have said countless times there needs to be more pvp in game thats not just arena, clan wars and duels which to me are just pretty pointless. not much pulse racing excitment involved .

so yes Nod needs not only more pkers but also more hunters rather than just people complaining about pkers and tbh i dont really care what it takes to have more pkers even setups. but on the other hand i do wish the requirments for such a big bonus werent so easy but if that were what it took to have more pkers so be it. obviously its not working either way though so ya idk.

now as far as Daers suggestions i say seems easier to just have more who hunt pkers to control the setups and such if it bothers someone as i dont see these changes creating more "real" pker nor fake ones but instead making fewer pkers and even Daer admits "i know these changes wouldnt stop setup pkers" what? whait, then why bother? seems alot like RL government to me , just add things to overcomplicate and still not solve a thing .

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1. You cannot receive a pk bonus from killing a character that your IP has ever logged.
ok idea in theory but very hard to actually keep track of as well as very easy to get around

2. You cannot receive a pk bonus from a character you have already pk'd this month. This applies to the entire IP as well, to avoid exploiting multiple alts.
as many have said this would hamper even "real pkers therefore wont work with such a small playerbase

3. You cannot receive a pk bonus from pking a character below your level range.
not too bad but again seems silly to bother adding code for it because even that is pretty easy to get around many ways

4. You cannot receive a pk bonus from a character that forced on you. You must have the balls to find your own victims for the bonus.
i'm personally fine with that but i always look at things from both sides and i for one know that if i were attacked and killed a real hunter i would expect it to count as would anyone who was a pk

5. You must pk a minimum of 3x your level in characters in one day to receive a bonus. For example, at level 70, you must pk a total level of 210 in any combination to include 3 level 70's. again just another easily exploitable thing to bother adding, although i agree and have said befor that pkers should require more kills or more often to get bonus. maybe even a progressive bonus like kill one toon for 1X 2toons for 2X etc

6. Trophies from the pk bonus will now be sb.
take a risk for sb trophies? lol thats not gonna make real pkers because first of all real pkers have to be uberly op'ed before they even go pk so most real pkers havent much use for trophies

Obviously a main reason for the prevalence of setup pk's compared to real ones is the fact that there is a big bonus, and it's much easier and safer to kill a naked level 20 alt than to go out and find real victims that fight back. I can understand that the temptation to cheat is irresistable, and I also understand that it will be impossible to completely stop setup pk's as long as there's a bonus. However, no matter what you do to stop the setups, you still need to encourage the real ones if you want pking to still happen at all.
lets not forget too that sometimes the "real" pker will sometimes do setups as well for the same reason many people dont hunt pkers and that is lazy and who can blame them, in some lvl ranges you can look for hours just to find 1 person to kill unless your dumb enough to risk a kill one out of some town

I personally think PVP doesn't need rewards so I haven't been able to think of any ways to encourage it. However, I'm certain the small handful of people who don't flame the absolute **** out of this thread can come up with perfectly acceptable and innovative ideas, so have at it.
ya i personally didnt think caps needed rewards for farming mobs either but they got them and pretty much have destroyed the trophie market and soon as more get to the point of being able to farm way over lvl expect them to hord tc's up at any price as well driving them up too. hmm seems just what the pkers have been accused of for so long but they took risks to do it and capped just got it handed to them.

so ya anyhow i think bonus/reward is fine but yes i think should require more kills or more often or just stay the same and find ways to promote it fake or not idc just so there are more real pvp oppertunities avalible
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