Angelic changes

[hotshot64]

No, my point is he said, and i quote, "this is lame once you get 1 hit from a decked out 2h melee toon you'll just make threads about them." Which is why I responded with the fact that 2h'ers cannot 1-hit dot casters under any circumstance, if both toons are suited up.

followed by "Every class can be "OP" just build it by playing not complaining."
Something I find interesting, as DoT casters complained until they got all the buffs that have put them at the top.

[Nurvus]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

No, my point is he said, and i quote, "this is lame once you get 1 hit from a decked out 2h melee toon you'll just make threads about them." Which is why I responded with the fact that 2h'ers cannot 1-hit dot casters under any circumstance, if both toons are suited up.

followed by "Every class can be "OP" just build it by playing not complaining."
Something I find interesting, as DoT casters complained until they got all the buffs that have put them at the top.

Still hasn't got anything to do with anything.
You still said DoTers are OP unless they can be 1 shotted by a 2h melee.

For the sake of indulging your pointless nitpicking, where does he speak of a 2h 1-hitting a DoTer?
Or is that your standard for balance - a glass cannon 1-hitting a class that can't do anything within the first 10 seconds?

In case you didn't understand what he meant, he's criticizing that when a certain kind of build starts doing shiny new stuff, everyone says it's OP.

When a DoTer isn't a glass cannon - on the contrary a DoTer depends on survival to have time to stack the DoTs - how can you expect them to ever be competitive if they could AT ALL be one-shotted?

Do you one-shot a BM? Do you even kill a Tank in 3 hits? 4?

Again, speaking of properly & evenly geared/skilled toons.

[hotshot64]

I actually didn't say DoTs are op unless they can be 1-shotted by a 2h melee. What I'm saying, really, is that I've learned to disregard everything zephier/cyress/ripple/whoever the hell else plays those toons as simply trying to keep their exploits and/or "tricks" from being nerfed. I've never seen any math out of them, just "I'm not op, you're stupid." So really, my point is I'd like to see at least one of their points validated by FACTS and I might listen. Notice I provide math and facts for my statements, and if I see some from them well BY GOD I might start paying attention.

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by Tragicallyhip

Leave you with one other thing... I've seen a melee team in arena, destroy a dotter of over 30b exp in the first 2 seconds of the match. All I'm saying...

You unfortunately won't get the opportunity to see this happen... which it did happen, I'll get Rogue in here to share his side of it with you..., and the reason you won't ever see this happen, is because you would have to be in a geared and skilled for arena state... nough said really.

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Tragicallyhip

You unfortunately won't get the opportunity to see this happen... which it did happen, I'll get Rogue in here to share his side of it with you..., and the reason you won't ever see this happen, is because you would have to be in a geared and skilled for arena state... nough said really.

Ooooooooh insults, I think I might cry. If you'll read carefully, I said A MELEER, not 2, not 3 meleers taking on one person.

[Tragicallyhip]

You've already got one person... Rogue can crit for 3k, 3.5k? Maybe more.. and since a dot caster doesn't build agi... a double hit like that... see what I did there?

[Nurvus]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

What I'm saying, really, is that I've learned to disregard everything anyone that plays my nemesis (DoTers) says as I'm simply trying desperately to get them out of the equation.

Fixed.
See what I did there?

You can't state facts and disregard everyone else's facts.
I welcome you to do math on a fight between fully skilled and geared teams.
Not 1v1 - Teams.
1v1 comparisons = Stupid.

Mitigation of 1 versus the damage of 3.
Not Mitigation of 1 versus the damage of 1.

Time is a factor.
Bursting 3 to 1 against a DoTer is enough to kill him before he has "time" to do anything harmful.

Or is it?
Go ahead and do the math.
I'm pretty sure Glitchless beat you to it years ago.

Just remember all the trash talk you're throwing at others, can be applied to you.

[hotshot64]

A dot caster can build however the hell he want actually. Inspect any decent dot caster and you'll see he has TONS of defense stats. Plenty to play with. And if you'll take even a GLANCE at my math, you'll see a dot caster has 50% or more mitigation. That means your 7k doublecrit (if you're lucky) magically turns into less than a 3.5k doublecrit. There's a reason I said you'd need a minimum 15k crit to kill a dot caster with 7.5k health with one hit. I could very well be wrong but I don't think anyone has hit a 15k doublecrit. Even with magic. See what I did there?

[Tragicallyhip]

All I see is more complaining, I'd complain to if all I had was 11b exp. From what I hear, you weren't the one that did the math.. you just posted it.. shame.. taking from other people... I won't say the name I heard it from... Though I'm sure its someone in your clans..

[Nurvus]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

A dot caster can build however the hell he want actually. Inspect any decent dot caster and you'll see he has TONS of defense stats. Plenty to play with. And if you'll take even a GLANCE at my math, you'll see a dot caster has 50% or more mitigation. That means your 7k doublecrit (if you're lucky) magically turns into less than a 3.5k doublecrit. There's a reason I said you'd need a minimum 15k crit to kill a dot caster with 7.5k health with one hit. I could very well be wrong but I don't think anyone has hit a 15k doublecrit. Even with magic. See what I did there?

Yes, you compared 1 to 1. *shakes head*
Considering the speed at wich you fling Spells, you don't need to pull crits at all to get 5k damage against a DoTer in 6 seconds.
Way before he has time to do anything to you worth worrying about.
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And Hotshot, we've been through it, the DoTer needs tons more defense stats than the glass cannon DDers. Because DoTers aren't glass cannons. They can't nuke ANYTHING down in under 10 seconds.

3 DoTers in 10 seconds won't kill you, even though they might leave enough DoT damage rolling to kill you after they die.

Maybe if the stars align and they get loads of Sleight of Hand and a timely combined "fusion!" Rupture.

But if the stars align for them, the stars align for you - how many double crits can you get in 6 seconds?

Yes I'm being generous and comparing 6 seconds from a DDer to 10 seconds from a DoTer.

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by Nurvus

Yes, you compared 1 to 1. *shakes head*
Considering the speed at wich you fling Spells, you don't need to pull crits at all to get 5k damage against a DoTer in 6 seconds.
Way before he has time to do anything to you worth worrying about.

Wasting your time... it's like beating a dead horse... you can beat it all you want... it's still gonna be dead.

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Tragicallyhip

All I see is more complaining, I'd complain to if all I had was 11b exp. From what I hear, you weren't the one that did the math.. you just posted it.. shame.. taking from other people... I won't say the name I heard it from... Though I'm sure its someone in your clans..

Hmmm let's see. I rerolled, so yup I'm currently at a lowered exp total. Second, indeed I had one person make a spreadsheet for me, 2 verify it, then I used the spreadsheet to find the info. Thirdly, he did it specifically so I could post it on the forums, so it's not taking, particularly as I paid him for his services in doing math in a program I'm no expert in. And finally, I don't give a rat's ass about your little vendetta against me. You finally got me kicked from a clan. Congrats. Go pat yourself on the back irl for turning your pea sized brain toward something "productive"

[hotshot64]

Not that any of that has a thing to do with dot casters, but gj trying to draw me off topic due to your lack of knowledge on the subject.

[Tragicallyhip]

Bravo...


Dot casters aren't Op, you're all just not strong enough yet... QQ ^_^

[hotshot64]

I've put out the math on both their defense and offense, and the math says far more than "they're not op because you have no friends"

[Nurvus]

DDers also got complained at for their burstyness... they got the right to strike back...

I apologize, Hotshot64, go on... but I still disagree.
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Now seriously, you bash at everything anyone says, completely disregarding any logic behind what they say - always defending yourself with "math or didn't happen".

If you really knew what you're talking about, you wouldn't have to do that.

What I read from you and what I read from others was like black and white.

You bash everything regardless of the logic, and bring no logic of your own besides stating radical facts and vague comparisons.

Even after others get into specifics, you still ignore it.

You know that while mitigation scales with incoming damage, healing doesn't, right?
Whatever self-healing DoTers have may be strong in 1v1 but is trivialized in 3v1.

Plus, you might take 20 seconds to kill a DoTer as a DDer in a 1v1 fight, wich gives him time to DoT you enough to kill you.

Now you get into an Arena fight, and suddenly it's 3 ppl whacking a DoTer. That will probably go down to 8 seconds needed to kill the DoTer.
Result? He stacked a fraction of the damage he would solo, wich since it's a ramp-up dps mechanic, means he did jack **** damage.

I get the sense you look at raw numbers of 1v1 with dubious gear/skill levels and want it to stick as universal fact.

[Jesspalm]

All the whiny back and forth aside...

Do eet.

[Tragicallyhip]

Originally Posted by Jesspalm

All the whiny back and forth aside...

Do eet.

Boss has spoken... *poofs*

And thumbs up to Nurvus, Spoken like a bawss!

[hotshot64]

Lol @ killing a dot caster in 2 seconds. You know, when they're not wearing a potion of stone, and you're a 3 dps team, and you're really lucky, that's entirely possible, but I find it very unlikely. Regardless, I'm just replying to the original post about angelic aura and trolls don't amuse me, so post real math saying why you think it should be so or I'll just assume you're here for nothing but a fight and have no facts to back up your "logic."

[Nurvus]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

Lol @ killing a dot caster in 2 seconds. You know, when they're not wearing a potion of stone, and you're a 3 dps team, and you're really lucky, that's entirely possible, but I find it very unlikely. Regardless, I'm just replying to the original post about angelic aura and trolls don't amuse me, so post real math saying why you think it should be so or I'll just assume you're here for nothing but a fight and have no facts to back up your "logic."

Likewise.
I've honestly been thinking you're trolling.
I just don't like to make baseless assumptions.

See what I did there?

(By the way, I said 20 seconds, or are you talking about the MELEE team? As in... Cnt doesn't matter against Melee and they might just have double critted the DoTer's skull in? 2h melees don't get auto-crit on their first strike right? Only 2 melee dpsers plus a tank are enough to mash a DoTer. No need for triple dps team.)