PK Bonus

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Originally Posted by Nurvus

Jadakris, 2 suggestions were made. Only 1 would apply:

Softcore Version - Whenever you PK someone, you get 3 hours of PK bonus. That means 1 hour with permadeath risk, and 2 hours without permadeath risk.

Hardcore Version - Toggleable. You flash while bonus is active. No bonus while not flashing.

Here's a Multicore Version:
- Toggleable mode where you Flash for the duration and 3 minutes after toggling off;
- 3x Bonus while flashing
- 2x Bonus for 2 hours after you stop flashing from PKing.

Want full bonus? Flash.
Want some bonus? Kill once every 3 hours.

Stop milking the PK system and actually PK.

/pwnt

[Jadakris]

Get something straight. I don't even do anything on my PK but PK and use the bonus to make enchanting stones for maybe 1 hour a week as it is now and chat with my friends/clan on the game atm.

My suggestions and feelings come from USING the system. You want to nerf it because PKs are stronger than you, you want to nerf it because they can be richer than you. You want to nerf it because YOU CANT DO IT.

The only person whose opinions should matter are those who actually used the system as it now. Not want to make it COMLETELY undesirable. My suggestions are to better the system, for example, the rolling 30 minute timer.. the change from 30-15 minute Town Lock. Make it so PK's loot a % of gold with each kill.


You can make a PK flash ANYTIME YOU WANT.

But you have to also get off you your lazy ****ing ass, and actually hunt them.
But just like noone wants to lose their precious character, or don't want to deal with the hassle of being a PK. Noone hunts. Maybe what.. 5? People hunt..

Paulodjohn, Nemesiss, Stormwizard, Jewal... Spament ...I'm drawing pretty big blanks here..
As it stands now, the 3x EXP bonus is what you get for risking your life. You can barely loot anything.. Yes, I've spreed on capped toons.. yes I've looted maybe 2 epics? and a few uncommons..

But keep mind, you cannot destroy items while flashing.. this should be made so you cannot destroy SOULBOUND items while flashing. Its a failsafe to prevent people from destroying their gear when they know they are gunna perma-die. This would matter if you COULD ACTUALLY LOOT ANYTHING WORTH VALUE. But you can't..

[Jadakris]

And no I'm really not PWNT.. If this was such an issue, why hasn't Glitch changed it when it was bitched about 10 or 20 times before this.

Because the system WORKS. It keeps players INTERESTED. The ones whining about it, whine about EVERYTHING. And are too scared to use it. Or have "moral issues".. ITS A GAME get over yourselves.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

As it stands now, the 3x EXP bonus is what you get for risking your life.

Exactly, and you're not risking your life if you're not flashing.

[hotshot64]

Actually, Glitchless has considered changing it and the reason he didn't was because the people exploiting the system with setup pk'ing cried and cried and insulted and bitched until he gave the idea up. All people like you want is an easier way to cheat, an easier way to be better than everyone else, and when others point out the hypocrisy of your actions you turn to insults. For example:

"Or have "moral issues".. ITS A GAME get over yourselves."

Umm have you already forgotten the thread not long ago where you insulted half a dozen people for their lack of morality in chat? And your constant rants about how immoral homosexuality is?

The pk system keeps maybe 3-4 people interested in the game, the rest of the people participating in it do so PURELY for the 3x exp bonus and every last one of them do setup pk's. THAT IS NOT PVP. PK'ing involves KILLING YOUR ENEMY, not killing your friend's naked alt. You can rationalize it all you want but you are NOT contributing to the game, you are NOT doing it purely to keep interested, you are killing an alt that won't fight back so you can get a 3x bonus and therefore the pk system is not working the way it's intended. The bonus is there not to be the sole reason to pk, but to give you both incentive and help to get stronger. But as it stands the bonus is the only reason the average person pk's and while you can lie to us and yourself by claiming you pk for other reasons, it's all lies in the end.

I've pk'd for the bonus once. Every other time, I pk'd for fun, and it certainly is fun. Yeah you can cry all day about how horrible it is to permadie, and how horrible boon is cause it overshadows your little bonus, and how pointless it is to spree, but there really is no part of this game that's more fun than pk'ing and hey guess what that horrible boon thing HELPS YOU REBUILD IF YOU PERMADIE. In my honest opinion, as someone who has done REAL pk's far more than you have, long before boon ever was thought of, when we kept nothing but learning skills when rerolling, I don't think there should be a pk bonus at all. If you give a **** about the bonus then you don't care about the pking itself, you're pking purely for that bonus, and it is far too easy now to survive as a bonus pk'er.

So how about we finally end this whole hypocritical argument, because Glitchless isn't going to change the pk system again. Last time he changed it he ended up making pking too easy, when before it was very difficult and nearly always ended in permadeath (this was before boon obviously, when you died you lost everything) and there were no level ranges so a level 80 would usually be the one killing a low level pk. If he changes it again all the little pk bonus exploiters will cry and threaten to quit until he makes concessions for the poor widdle pk's with their underpowered 3x bonus and everything gets even worse.

Point is, we could argue and insult all damned day, the pk's crying about how hard it is to be a fake pk, and making up bull**** about how the pk bonus is the only reason to pk and if we take it away the game will die, and the people like me who actually enjoyed pking when it was difficult (as much as it really, really sucked permadying) simply asking for the whole bonus system to be done away with because it's just plain stupid. But the smartest thing to do at this point is to just sthu, cause this turned into a moronic argument long ago.

[Darkdingus]

Thanks hotshot.
This was a great post, and I fully agree.
Anyways, Jada is making a gay out of himself (which means he must think he's immoral. Looks a little Ted Haggardish to me)

[Jadakris]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Exactly, and you're not risking your life if you're not flashing.

Is it so hard to understand that when YOU FORCE THEM, THEY FLASH..?


I never said I completely disagree that there should be changes to the system as awhole.. But EVERYONE simply post ideas to make PKing even harder.

When in all reality is they never even used the system in higher level ranges.. They bitch and moan about the system being overpowered - but they never even TRIED it at a higher level. Victims are alot harder to find if you want to stay in a level range. And the higher you go, the easier it is to die aka you have less room to OP.

And again since some of you are too dense to realize that running around spreeing does not consist of using the system. That is called player killing, however the majority of the PK's like Kingpk, and them do not farm all that often.. They are practically wasting the majority of thier RRT because its too much of a hassle to hunt. So maybe, just maybe the reason they have 3x EXP is because they get to farm 3x less.. and if they manage to farm, they need that strength to stay alive.

Players, like Trojan and myself thought it out and had more than one toon farming near each other.. and the majority of the people actually hunting couldn't kill 1.. let alone 2.

So yea, using a system put into play when noone is actually trying to stop you other than whining and crying to Glitchless to nerf it.. In my eyes is really not an exploitation. Its the lack of people making a true effort to do anything about it. Hell I could kill Jewal/Sexykills before I even went PK on Methakris solo.. Knowing she was one of the only people who would try to stop me - and couldn't OFC I'm going to take the easy route to success..

I mean really now.. I hunted PK's - I was a PK.. I have well over 3k PKK points on my toons when you add them all up - and could have ALOT more had I not stopped PKKing.

And yea, setups DO happen. Because they are QUICK. I used to simply go stand on Rogg Static (ask Tarra~/Pauloahola (sp) ).. but I wasn't going to force on people with capped toons in their group so close to town while i had to sit and wait for thier battle to be over.. I randomed people in OOS when I was bored..And even killed in Merfolk Dungeon a few times.

But like I said, I'm an exploiter .. and your all whiners - if its so easy to do ****ing TRY it.

[Nurvus]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

But EVERYONE simply post ideas to make PKing even harder.

Just the cowardly kind of fake-PKing alot of players abuse.

Those who are true PKers won't even notice.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Nurvus

Those who are true PKers won't even notice.

^ that

[Jadakris]

How about this one.. make the level limit to PK level 60..?
So then whenever you have the nerve to call low levels who are booned out "real" Pk's.. or the few capped players who spree/kill once a week for thier bonus and barely farm at all because ITS ALOT HARDER BECAUSE THERES ALOT MORE PEOPLE HUNTING YOU - I can laugh in your face.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

How about this one.. make the level limit to PK level 60..?
So then whenever you have the nerve to call low levels who are booned out "real" Pk's.. or the few capped players who spree/kill once a week for thier bonus and barely farm at all because ITS ALOT HARDER BECAUSE THERES ALOT MORE PEOPLE HUNTING YOU - I can laugh in your face.

This is not a debate on whether or not Boon is abused. This is a debate on the merits of an idea about changing the PK system.

[Nurvus]

I've suggested a way to fix Boon already - it had to do with penalizing the use of Boon to overskill.

Dumping 100k worth of trophies with 95% penalty should "use up" 100k of the Boon exp no matter how much exp you end up getting after the penalty.

Using Boon to get back to where you were before rerolling is legit.
Using Boon to get high skills easily while staying low level isn't.

Yet, this thread isn't about Boon.

It's about the sad story of being a PK but only PKing when you lose the bonus - ridiculous.

And yes, Jada, I would have no problem with limiting PKing to level 60+.
Or PK bonus being x2 until 59 and x3 from 60 onwards.

[Nurvus]

Here's an idea to deal with the PK Bonus and a few other issues:
1 - PKKing should only cause permadeath if the PK is flashing
2 - PKKing a non-flashing PK should let the PKK loot 3 item stacks from the PK
3 - PKers should only have 3 types of Bonus that start counting down when you PK someone:
Full (4x) = While Flashing, supercedes Partial;
Partial (3x) = 4 hours, supercedes Passive;
Passive (2x) = 1 day
4 - If you force on a PK and lose, you should lose RT

This way there are 3 types of PKers and those who are more active are more rewarded.

As for PKKers who attack PKs, they should also have something to fear: RT loss.

I'm gonna post here only regarding PK Bonus, because Spament's is just a duplicate.

[Huggles]

Nurvus, while I appreciate your continued support, I disagree with some of your ideas.

I think the PK system should be changed but it should remain rather simple.

-PKs have permanent 3x bonus to passives.
-PKs can activate active 3x bonus, but this will make them flash.
-Ns can force flashing PKs

Agreeing with this part of your suggestions though:
-PKKs who force a PK and die should lose RT

[Nurvus]

You mean PKers should permadie at all times, but only get passive 3x bonus unless they're also flashing?
That's way too harsh, imo.
They should at the very least not permadie while not flashing if they're gonna lose all that.

I think my idea makes more sense.
Let's take a look at the daily life of a PKer with my idea:
Step 1 - You PK someone
Step 2 - Start flashing for 1 hour with Full Bonus (4x) to loot, gold and exp, but risk being permakilled when PKKed.
1 hour later --- Hardcore PvPer? Go back to Step 1. Otherwise, Step 3.
Step 3 - Stop flashing, lose Full Bonus and gain Partial Bonus (3x) for 3 more hours, but risk losing 3 items when PKKed.
3 hours later --- Decent PvPer? Go back to Step 1. Otherwise, Step 4.
Step 4 - Lose Partial Bonus and gain Residual Bonus (2x) for 20 more hours, but still risk losing 3 items when PKKed.
20 hours later --- Shame on you...


This way each player can choose his kind of deal - more risk, more reward. Less risk, less reward. No abuse.

[Jadakris]

I'm just going to ask say this, one last time and then I'm done and then I'm over this thread.
Because its like talking to a brick wall.

PK's "abusing" a system, when the system isn't catering them any (the actual killing part).
You can get tripled teamed - and yes you CAN team-up with people.. But it can also be your down fall.

And you talk about merit, on what merit do you know anything about the PK system as a whole.. The majority of the people whining about it haven't done it on a toon higher than level 70. When it actually starts to get good, and makes the game alot more interesting - and FASTER. Most of you are simply jealous of the EXP total people have and money.. Like my brother for example again.. had 35 bil boon.. but it doesn't change the fact he WAS the strongest level 75~ caster WITH ADVENTURER AS A SECONDARY CLASS.

I mean for one minute, have you ever bothered to think the system is there and the way it is TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE? To get more people to PLAY the game? And that the problems with the system are more on the PK side, preventing people from using it?

1.) Takes too long to actually go kill a few people at high levels..(Staying in range ofc)
2.) Huge lack of loot
3.) You gotta wait a few minutes just to force if the person is in combat..
4.) It's too easy for hunters to continually keep you in town
5.) No punishments for PKK for forcing on PKs other than loss of a single stack - which you can easily avoid losing anything important. This also town locks the PK for 30 minutes even if its self defense.
6.) The can't destory items while flashing - again limiting the amount of items you can loot during a spree.
7.) No way to break taunts, even tho this was supposed to happen around the time legendaries came out.. Caster + taunt and ur basically screwed

etc etc etc..

All I see here is "OMG HE MAKES MORE EXP THAN ME NERF IT!!! I DONT CARE IF HE CAN PERMA DIE AND SET HIMSELF BACK 5 MONTHS OR MORE!!"

Say it one more time TRY it, THEN knock it.

[Nurvus]

Read my suggestion again, this time without bleeding through your eyes.
Seriously - it's just one post above yours.

PS: I dislike some parts of Reroller's Boon too, as I mentioned a few times, and think they should have a harder time overskilling.

PS 2: My suggestion for the PK system means to improve the reward "hardcore PKers" get; soften the penalties "normal PKers" get, and penalize "fake PKers".

So it's only a penalty if you suck, I'm sorry.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

I'm done and then I'm over this thread.

Support.

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Support.

Doesn't matter how many players support it, it's not gonna happen :/

[Jadakris]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

Doesn't matter how many players support it, it's not gonna happen :/

Support