Double Class Bonuses

[Smashbros]

with 2ndry classes it would be nice to be awarded for using different types of classes, with an extra bonus.

like for instance a Dk/Pally getting an added bonus to ALL auras.

Rogue/WM getting a bonus to min damage

Warrior/WM getting a bonus to max damage.

etc etc etc

there are HEAPS of dif combinations you can get with the 2 classes, would just be nice to get a bonus for chosing a 2nd class that works with the 1st, instead of picking it for a CA.

[thatperson]

support id love this it would eliminate the CAs that were OP cause picking a pair of classes that went together would benefit u far more than if you just picked for CA

[Oneangel]

U wanna give more bonuses to warlock/magicians/wizzards and angel/priest combos too? And what would bm's get as a pairing? Dk? Wm? Not sure how this really helps if everyone just gets stronger...an even more powerfull dd on an enchanters team will just kill the team more in the mes time surely?

[RogueTigeR]

wat about a 2h piercing rogue (ok...sounds good)... who lost mirror blade so wanted a bonus to resist auras and b/c rogue's get bonus to poison DoT's has a 2ndary DoT/HoT build that uses angelic aura????????... and ppl just so happen to think his CA is bull**** when team 1 and team 2 in arena last season had NOOO enchanters?

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Oneangel

U wanna give more bonuses to warlock/magicians/wizzards and angel/priest combos too? And what would bm's get as a pairing? Dk? Wm? Not sure how this really helps if everyone just gets stronger...an even more powerfull dd on an enchanters team will just kill the team more in the mes time surely?

and if you have a decent tank, those even stronger casters, still wont be able to kill that fast.

i only made a few suggestions, as i dont have a list of the 26 classes, and what they can pair with, and what the bonus should be. thats up for other player suggestions.

it wouldnt help everyone get stronger, it would help those that have picked a 2ndry to benefit their main class, which glitch said would do better then those that picked a 2nd class for the CA. and yes an angel/priest should get extra bonuses.


rogue, this thread has nothing to do with the enchanter CA, so kindly take that drama ****, elsewhere. yes your complaining about yourself, we get it. but a rogue class is a melee class, with a bonus to 1 type of DoT gem, its not a caster class, and therefore should not be treated as such. your change to the enchanter class, was not straight away, as you picked a few others before that, and it wasnt till after people started using the enchanter CA in arena to win, that you changed to it. but as i said, take it elsewhere.

this is simply an idea to reward those that are building their toons and working to their strengths instead of picking a 2nd class simply for the CA.

maybe even have it so that it wipes both the CAs of the 2 classes, and based on the mix of classes, gives a new 1 that is unique to those class types. maybe even go a step further and instead of having it so that your a (in my case) weapon master / rogue, when i picked the rogue, it would merge the 2 classes together, to form a new 1, that has a new bonus, that is better then the 2 combines, based on CE, CS and SS ofcourse, with 1 CA instead of 2.

this way, any class combination can get a bonus

[Olvan]

I like this idea and support

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Originally Posted by Smashbros

and if you have a decent tank, those even stronger casters, still wont be able to kill that fast.

i only made a few suggestions, as i dont have a list of the 26 classes, and what they can pair with, and what the bonus should be. thats up for other player suggestions.

it wouldnt help everyone get stronger, it would help those that have picked a 2ndry to benefit their main class, which glitch said would do better then those that picked a 2nd class for the CA. and yes an angel/priest should get extra bonuses.


rogue, this thread has nothing to do with the enchanter CA, so kindly take that drama ****, elsewhere. yes your complaining about yourself, we get it. but a rogue class is a melee class, with a bonus to 1 type of DoT gem, its not a caster class, and therefore should not be treated as such. your change to the enchanter class, was not straight away, as you picked a few others before that, and it wasnt till after people started using the enchanter CA in arena to win, that you changed to it. but as i said, take it elsewhere.

this is simply an idea to reward those that are building their toons and working to their strengths instead of picking a 2nd class simply for the CA.

maybe even have it so that it wipes both the CAs of the 2 classes, and based on the mix of classes, gives a new 1 that is unique to those class types. maybe even go a step further and instead of having it so that your a (in my case) weapon master / rogue, when i picked the rogue, it would merge the 2 classes together, to form a new 1, that has a new bonus, that is better then the 2 combines, based on CE, CS and SS ofcourse, with 1 CA instead of 2.

this way, any class combination can get a bonus

I have a list of all the classes bonuses, CA's damage at cap and all of their effects, i could put together a few combos and morph them into a single CA as you suggested and post it here. but i would need a list of classes that work well together first as a base line.

[RogueTigeR]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

(1) rogue, this thread has nothing to do with the enchanter CA, so kindly take that drama ****, elsewhere. yes your complaining about yourself, we get it. but a rogue class is a melee class, with a bonus to 1 type of DoT gem, its not a caster class, and therefore should not be treated as such. (2) your change to the enchanter class, was not straight away, as you picked a few others before that, and it wasnt till after people started using the enchanter CA in arena to win, that you changed to it. but as i said, take it elsewhere.

(3) this is simply an idea to reward those that are building their toons and working to their strengths instead of picking a 2nd class simply for the CA.



this way, any class combination can get a bonus

(1) wat other class is everyone complaining about that only picks class strictly for CA?

(2) Actually.. yes, i was 1 other 2ndary... I was angel for 1.5 days after patch... But my teamates who I planned on arena'ing w/ (My team of Season 3), paid me to switch b/c had a good plan (which I switched before arena season even began)...

I was not convinced that bonus+CA was better for me than bonus+CA at first, b/c revival CA, and not to toot my own horn... but using a carefully crafted pouch and skillz... I can heal w/ white gems as a melee toon as well as anyone in game and better than most...

But I leaned towards enchanter b/c for 1... about a yr. ago or so... I was very very proud to be a anti-caster DPS machine... I believe had the highest mirrored blade in the game, and when mirrors disappeared, and nothing put in it's place for 2H'ers to have a slight advantage over the DD caster I relished the idea RESIST... RESIST RESIST 2371 RESIST RESIST... not quite MIRROR MIRROR MIRROR... but to still be an anti-caster w/o using a shield... it is the best way to go...

And 2. Ive had a DoT/HoT build for about 1.5 yrs now that I mostly piddle around w/... but more recently, b/c well, Even thou all base stats built for a rogue/piercer (137 melee w/ 469 base dex, only 54 magic w/ a measly 136 Mst, 140 Def, and 9 rec..so dont expect even w/ skillz that my mre/pre goes very fast at all even w/ staff), I have managed to develop thru enchants/pots/and skills, a very very decent healer that I can use for ++++++++++++++++++++++ bosses. This is very useful for me b/c DD casters are numerous and everyone of them thinkz their DPS is thru the roof... some are... some arent (especially vs uber-black bosses/mobs).. BUT healers are very very rare in this game, and especailly a good one. So more often than not, unless I'm experimenting w/ how high my all melee team can kill (106 boss:Rogue, Lvl'r, and Myt), I play healer b/c even thou my DPS is prob better than their DPS vs blacks, my heal w/ staff suit is better than their heal (if they are even heal capapble).

So... long story short... my mates liked the CA.. but I switched for personal reasons for the bonus... and just FYI... OUR team was the original 'enchanter team'... My team had 2x enchanter 2nd's before season started. It was about 2-3 weeks after that 2-3 more teams popped up... then w/in 1.5 months, "Enchanter Team" was not only a common phrase around Nod, but a common sight in arena b/c so many of them.

(3) You think WM/Rogue should be rewarded bonus then do you????... Not that if I were Jeff and actually making this idea happen, I wouldn't see it as a good class combo for bonus, juuuuust playing devil's advocate here... You picked your 2nd class strictly on the view pt. of 'MOAR POWER'... b/c u were already a WM and using pierce.. Rogue bonus seemed the best way to go.

But yet u say Rogue/Enchanter is ludicrous and only for CA in arena type situations....
I argue this: I chose a more well-rounded approach than you...you chose glass cannon...MORE DPS MORE DPS NAO!.. where i chose a prim. class that has DPS bonus and CA, and a sec. class for defensive reasons w/ bonus (resist auras/angelic auras)& CA.

And before you say CA is not defensive, its more of a lure, a setting of a trap for more DPS... In arena... yes.. many teams including my own use it as a 'trap' for more DPS... but in all melee boss questing that i mentioned before that I've done.... a 5 sec stun instead of a mesely 600 dmg. vs a 106 boss' HP, has been a life saver more than once so his whip can give some health and hopefully in 5 secs i can get off about 2-4 heal gems to put us back in the game.
Also.. I dunno if you travel much.. but when I travel solo.. (thru high mob country) i staff walk... and b/c i guess i cheap i dun haz sureflee... so this CA has saved MY life quite a few times when even thou escapes are grey magic so says glitchless... and my bonus is to grey magic... all i see is FAILED ESCAPE
FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE FAILED ESCAPE.

Getting off the pt..sry... So what I am trying to ask/argue is, Is not a well-rounded class compliment better and more deserving of a special bonus than 2 classes that while do build on eachother, lack any Yin-Yang... must have both a yin and a yang ... all yin or all yang is bad thing... may seem appealing but yin+yang is better.

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by RogueTigeR

(1) wat other class is everyone complaining about that only picks class strictly for CA?

The bottom 90% of nod complains about people picking angel for the ca (if you don't believe me just bring it up in civil), you just don't realize it because the top 10% of players only give a crap about themselves and only care about the enchanter ca due to that. The people who have a problem with the angel ca don't complain about it anymore because the top few players flamed the **** out of them until they were quiet, called them weak, stupid, etc. Then those same players turned around and bitched about how op the enchanter ca.


So yeah if the top few players would look around a little bit at the plight of 90% of nod instead of just what affects those few players, you might see some things.

/endrant

[Smashbros]

it all depends on player pref as to if you think the classes will work together.

like for instance id say Archer and Magician work well together.

Rogue and Weapon Master

Dark Knight and Paladin

Priest and Angel

Guardian and Tactician

Adventurer and Trapper

Adventurer and Craftsman

they are a few off of the top of my head.

Originally Posted by hotshot64

The bottom 90% of nod complains about people picking angel for the ca (if you don't believe me just bring it up in civil), you just don't realize it because the top 10% of players only give a crap about themselves and only care about the enchanter ca due to that. The people who have a problem with the angel ca don't complain about it anymore because the top few players flamed the **** out of them until they were quiet, called them weak, stupid, etc. Then those same players turned around and bitched about how op the enchanter ca.


So yeah if the top few players would look around a little bit at the plight of 90% of nod instead of just what affects those few players, you might see some things.

/endrant

+1 from part of the bottom 90%. Hate angels more than enchanters, because at least auras exist to semi-counter enchanter bs.

[RogueTigeR]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

The bottom 90% of nod complains about people picking angel for the ca (if you don't believe me just bring it up in civil), you just don't realize it because the top 10% of players only give a crap about themselves and only care about the enchanter ca due to that. The people who have a problem with the angel ca don't complain about it anymore because the top few players flamed the **** out of them until they were quiet, called them weak, stupid, etc. Then those same players turned around and bitched about how op the enchanter ca.


So yeah if the top few players would look around a little bit at the plight of 90% of nod instead of just what affects those few players, you might see some things.

/endrant

actually... excuse my wording.... if u will read my OP I actually do refer to angels, (team 1 and team2)... and i agree, Angel CA is soo astounding that it makes other teams cry.

[Smashbros]

rogue, as daer mentioned angel is the other 1. and that had WAY more complaints then the enchanter. but the angel is easy for an OP team to deal with. enchanter is harder, and in most cases, impossible. i know my team has beaten yours before when you used your enchanter CA multiple times.

also, the original enchanter team, was Quils, with 3 enchanter/angels in the team.

and yes i think 2 classes that give a bonus to min damage work well together, and therefore should be given an added bonus. the same as classes that benifit each other.

enchanter does NOT directly benifit the rogue class, it just allows you to do more, thats it.

magician and archer DO benefit each other, as the 2 archery gems are red magic, which magician gives a bonus to, making them able to use the gems better, aswell as that of other DoTs or DDs that archers use. or for the benefit of the auras only, pally works.

yeah your an enchanter, and the reason does not matter why. the ONLY reason your complaining in this thread, is cause you WOULDNT get the bonus based on your current class setup, as it does not directly effect them.

dif classes work well together, as an evolving game, more will be discovered as more people try new things, and new patches come out etc etc, but that doesnt mean that every class will work with every other class directly.

being an adventurer, works well with most every class as its a bonus to exp, but you wouldnt go a trader class, if your not auctioning things all the time.

[RogueTigeR]

I thought i explained my reasoning for how the 2 classes mesh so well together in a yin-yang fashion....

Enchanter:bonus to grey magic
Rogue: bonus to min. melee dmg and poison gem dmg.

follow me... i make thought proccess clear...

1. min. melee dmg. ---> go pierce ---> at cap... at least from lv about 70+... u go 2H or face humiliation b/c u sux...---> 2H is great vs DD casters (everyones worst nightmare to face)--->2H loses ability to mirror---> magical resist auras are grey magic--->now 2h piercer has reclaimed his former strength.. or defense :P

also..

2. poison gem dmg.--->DoT caster--->Angelic aura is PERFECT (even Glitch says so) aura for this build type b/c procides mitigaed dmg taken but does not lessen dmg. done.--->Angelic aura goes from white magic to grey magic--->bonus to grey magic


yes.. i agree.. this is not cookie cutter science... but it works well together none the less.

[Smashbros]

i didnt say it didnt work well, i said it does not directly effect the other class

[Oneangel]

I can't see why u would use angelic since it only works with a staff...will just make your piercer do no dmg... Anyway if angel priest gets a bonus I'm happy and more variety is always fun. Also there are plenty if healers if u ask around

[RogueTigeR]

when i use angelic i use staff and play healer role or for fun in arena/duels use DoTs

Originally Posted by RogueTigeR

when i use angelic i use staff and play healer role or for fun in arena/duels use DoTs

Oh man! Now we know why RT is always begging for a buff!

One more problem solved. ^_^