Glitchless store toons - a new customer retention concept

[Trx]

A new player joins Nod, gets to level 10 in a few days, inspecting many level 85's along the way and has stars in their eyes, that one day soon they will be epic player of the Nod world....

Then they hit the level 20's & 30's and things get slow and hard and grinding and the enthusiasm begins to wane.

This new player has plenty of disposable income, but limited disposable time. They just want to use the cool looking armors and weapons and not get insta owned in arena by capped teams.


The propsoal

Standard packaged toons to purchase from the Glitchless store. Upon purchase you choose the class, face, name etc, just the same as creating a new toon.


Level 20 Toon ~$49.99

• Melee / Magic / Defense / Recovery bars all level 20
• Comes with X million exp of <SB> trophies, where x is enough xp to get core stats to level 20, such as:

  • Suiting
  • One of the weapon classes (crush / pierce / slash / archery / staffs / whips)
  • Petsmanship
  • One of the magic colours
  • One of the magic classes (sorcery / diabolism / mind bending)
  • One other skill to level 20, (the "customizible" component)

• Comes with x gold, where x is enough to buy an uncommon armor and weapon set of applicable level.

Level 40 Toon ~$99.99

Same as above, except:
Melee, Magic, Defense, Recovery skill bars all level 40.
Enough <SB> trophies to get the above mentioned skills to level 40.
Enough gold to purchase uncommon level ~40 armor & weapon set.



Level 60 Toon ~$199.99

Same as above, except:
Melee, Magic, Defense, Recovery skill bars all level 60.
Enough <SB> trophies to get the above mentioned skills to level 60.
Enough gold to purchase uncommon level ~60 armor & weapon set.



Level 85 Toon ~$299.99

Same as above, except:
Melee, Magic, Defense, Recovery skill bars all level 85.
Enough <SB> trophies to get the above mentioned skills to level 85.
Enough gold to purchase uncommon level ~85 armor & weapon set.

[devilsetai]

Sorry I don't support this one bit. I've spent a great deal of time and effort getting to 85, and that's not anywhere near capped. For someone to just drop a couple bucks and instantly be comparable to someone that has played the game for 1-3 yrs is ludicrous at best.

Not to mention what's to prevent capped players from just buying more toons with tc's? And then having even more capped toons to feed their alts?

If a new player doesn't have the patience to lvl up and get gear on their own so sorry see ya later, don't let the interwebz hit you on the way out.

[Trx]

There is no need to have the toons purchasable with tc's. They are not targeted at players with tc's to burn.

The power level of these toons would be very low compared to someone who has played for 1-3 years, as you say. Only getting trophs to level up the specified skills is for that exact reason, the same as making the melee / magic / defense / recovery skill bars all equal. It will still take the player some effort to redistibute and de-level stats to shape the toon into a focused toon that is comparable to an existing player.

[FastStang]

*sells my main for all the money I put into it, then buys a ready made 85 toon for a measly $300* I see dollar signs...cha ching!

[devilsetai]

Nice point Stang.

[Trx]

Originally Posted by FastStang

*sells my main for all the money I put into it, then buys a ready made 85 toon for a measly $300* I see dollar signs...cha ching!

... then gets IP banned =(

[devilsetai]

Trx, please don't be so foolish. Go check e-bay and other sites. You will see nod accounts for sale on them. This idea would be easily exploitable in some way or another. Just imagine you got a brand new level 85, that hasn't killed a single boss. You go through and solo everything you can and duo the rest. You could probably pull down over 1 mil gold in sts boss drops in one day.

Yes selling accounts and trading passwords violates the ToS, but that doesn't stop it from happening. And no one gets caught for it unless they make someone else mad and get /reported.

The reason for accel, grinder, and virt pack is so you can be competetive faster. There's already enough out there for new players with money and no time (accel).

My point is that there's already enough for new players to take advantage of in order to get better faster without giving them low-cost toons.

[Thomas Jordan]

I'm with Devilseti on this, even if he/she/it did jump out of perfectly good airplanes.

If you ain't Cav, you aini't ****.

Captain, Cavalry (PDRL)

[devilsetai]

It's "he" and there's no such thing as a "perfectly good airplane" in the airforce, which is what we had to use to off-load so to speak...

And only 2 things stay on the ground Legs, and chicken****

SGT, Airborne Infantry

[Trx]

Originally Posted by devilsetai

Trx, please don't be so foolish...

Devil pls dont be so arrogrant...

If the so called selling of accounts is so prevalent then it is in the best interest of Nodiatis to address it through either:

a) policing and enforcing, or

b) meeting the obvious demand in the market by selling controlled, legimate, standard store bought toons.



There are multiple solutions to static boss drop if its an issue. All quests can simply be dissabled or depending on what the store sell value is of the drops (Glitch can work this out if they are interested), it could be the gold component of the package, and the toon births with 10 gold to buy the iron gaff or whatever its called.


Accel / Full Virts / Rune of Wise 4++ / Recruitment 70, all since level 1 is not enough.

[thatperson]

and WoW should sell maxed out accounts w/ maxed gear and runescape should sell toons w/ 99 in every skill so that people with money dont have to work!!!

[Smashbros]

i gave up reading this thread after the first paragraph, but im 9001% against this.

you should NOT be able to purchase a pre-made toon. as you havent learnt a thing then, yes the game may slow down a bit, and require you to work some more and a bit harder to get up there, but you learn everything you need to along the way.

again 9001% against this in any way shape or form

[Trx]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

i gave up reading this thread after the first paragraph, but im 9001% against this.

I thought you were more open minded than this, but apparently you are mostly interested in protecting the establishment (ie. also your remove rr-boon from crafting skills thread). If you did not read past the first paragraph you have no position to even comment on the proposal as you have not read it, let alone considered it objectively.

@that person, what I proposed is no where near a maxed out toon. Its a shell that with considerable additional effort can be a decent toon.

If you are so opposed to players having access to toons they did not create from birth, I guess we'll be seeing a bunch of bans coming up after you guys report to Glitch all the toons which have been sold / gifted???

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Trx

I thought you were more open minded than this, but apparently you are mostly interested in protecting the establishment (ie. also your remove rr-boon from crafting skills thread). If you did not read past the first paragraph you have no position to even comment on the proposal as you have not read it, let alone considered it objectively.

@that person, what I proposed is no where near a maxed out toon. Its a shell that with considerable additional effort can be a decent toon.

If you are so opposed to players having access to toons they did not create from birth, I guess we'll be seeing a bunch of bans coming up after you guys report to Glitch all the toons which have been sold / gifted???

glitch has stated that he will not ban toons for sharing.

yeah i am open minded. but ive been pushing to HELP new players, this doesnt, this hands them everything and makes it too easy for them, even easier then it currently is. it does nothing to help people and just helps those with money, and does nothing for those that dont have any.

there is already a gap between people that pay and those that dont, and this would make it alot bigger and would do NOTHING to help new players at all.

yes buying toons would save time, but this game is anything but a game that can be played quickly. it takes alot of time and effort to get decent, and if you dont wanna play for 16 hours a day, then you can play for an hour, and then come back the next day.

if anything this game needs to be harder, as it is too easy to do everything atm.

THAT is why im against your suggestion, it does nothing to help the game, that is advertised as free to play, not whoever has the most cash gets given everything.

[Roeth]

Well, I've read all the way through the thread.

I agree with TJ, devilsetai and Smash, and think this is a bad idea.

[Trx]

The game would still be as "Free to Play" as it currently is.

The reality is, regardless of how the product is marketed, Glitchless does not exist on the "Free to Play" game model.

What would be good for Glitchless is retaining more "green shoot" customers and generating new revenue streams from its product, instead of 3rd parties profiting from sale of its digital assets.

[devilsetai]

Thank you Smash for so eloquently summing up what I was trying to say.


And I'm not arrogant, I'm just better than everyone else...lol

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Trx

The game would still be as "Free to Play" as it currently is.

The reality is, regardless of how the product is marketed, Glitchless does not exist on the "Free to Play" game model.

What would be good for Glitchless is retaining more "green shoot" customers and generating new revenue streams from its product, instead of 3rd parties profiting from sale of its digital assets.

of course he doesnt, but thats why he has the Paid status, and the 1 time upgrades, so that he has a revenue from established and new players.

ive spent ~1k getting my toon to level 85, (aswell as other toons playing) with my skills at or above my level, for the most part.

your saying $300 will do the same, buying from him.

where would glitch lose out then?? a 1 time purchase of 300?? or the purchase of over $1000 over a few years??

i know id prefer the smaller amounts coming in every now and again, then a lump sum coming in once.

[Trx]

IMO, it is unlikely that a customer who spent $300 buying a toon shell, would be content with the "out of the box" toon. The kind of consumer this is targeted at has disposable income and limited time. Products such as accel and virt pack are likely purchases and tc's to finance the equip & trophs. Obviously they would be paid in order to sell tc's to generate gold.

[Trx]

Originally Posted by Coccyx

yhea thats what nod need, more capped chars that have no clue how the game works.

How is that bad for the game or you? If you know what your doing, then players who are less knowledgible are the ones you should be profiting from the most.