No more using alts for PVP battles

[Makaveliarts]

PvE should be fine but PvP is not. To clarify, your Alts should not be able to participate in the same PvP battle that you are, no matter what team they are on.

[Migleyy]

y?

[Makaveliarts]

You live in Buffalo? That is like 15 min away from me.


Back to the topic, just one example of how people use PVP to exploit alts is redeeming. The fact that you can make an alt to redeem yourself on undermines the whole PK system.

There are other reasons, I will take the time to post them in later in an organized list.

[Migleyy]

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[Migleyy]

Originally Posted by Makaveliarts

You live in Buffalo? That is like 15 min away from me.


Back to the topic, just one example of how people use PVP to exploit alts is redeeming. The fact that you can make an alt to redeem yourself on undermines the whole PK system.

There are other reasons, I will take the time to post them in later in an organized list.

little creepy but ok ...

[Jadakris]

I thought the system was changed so you can no longer redeem on your alts along time ago? :S

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by Migleyy

little creepy but ok ...

Geez, whatever lol.

edit: There is more to it than just redeeming on alts.

Tell me, why do most people use their alt's for PVP battle?

[Smashbros]

to make an arena team....

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

to make an arena team....

So, with the help of a higher level main account the lower levels alts can farm tokens faster than the normal player at their level?

That being said, the alt can get tempers faster/higher level tempers because that player has a high level alt, but a new player, that is the same level as the other players alt, has to work much harder to get the same benefit.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Makaveliarts

So, with the help of a higher level main account the lower levels alts can farm tokens faster than the normal player at their level?

That being said, the alt can get tempers faster/higher level tempers because that player has a high level alt, but a new player, that is the same level as the other players alt, has to work much harder to get the same benefit.

no, its more for farming bonus, so that each of the toons can get more trophies and therefore get better skills.

and yes, alts will always be at an advantage of a main. cause they are alts, they have someone making cash for them.

i fail to see the point in this thread :S

its like your pushing for alts to be banned.

in which case the current ~900 people online, would drop to ~300 people online as they cant have alts.

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

no, its more for farming bonus, so that each of the toons can get more trophies and therefore get better skills.

and yes, alts will always be at an advantage of a main. cause they are alts, they have someone making cash for them.

i fail to see the point in this thread :S

its like your pushing for alts to be banned.

in which case the current ~900 people online, would drop to ~300 people online as they cant have alts.

Not to be banned, I just feel that each account should only be as powerful as their own merit, not the high level account that they have. Also, it is hard for first time players to get in a team, why should it be easier for alts? I am sure there are plenty of people going without the farming bonus because nobody will accept them into their arena team.


Maybe there would be more new players that would stay longer if they could actually be competitive at lower levels in pvp compared to the fed alts? IMO it would be great if you could only trade TC's to your alts, nothing else. ( I know, never going to happen) Is the knowledge of the game carried onto the alts you make not enough advantage against other players around your alts level?

Edit: If you can not go into an arena team with your alts, there would be more teams playing overall because the alts would have to start their own teams, and then invite others in. Therefore benefiting the arena system.

[Smashbros]

ok a few points:

1) banning trading between alts, would be akin to removing the trade system and the auction house.

2) the fact that there are OP low lvl alts, is a bonus to the game, as alot of low lvl people are too intimidated by those of a higher lvl, so they will ask those around their lvl that look to be doing well, which are really high lvls in disguise, and they get help that way.

3) more arena teams =/= better arena for everyone. why you ask?? you CANT fight an alt in arena, i have 5 toons, if each were on their own team, that means i have 5 teams, and that means that if i get them all in arena at the same time, that there is automatically 4 teams i can not fight.

alts play a vital part in this game, for example, if no one had alts, all the capped toons would get to cap, and stay there, and they would all get capped epics.

now if there was no low lvl alts, then there is a massive drop in low lvl players grinding, and therefore less epics that are available, aswell as most people with alts, will keep them paid, therefore there alone is a massive loss of low lvl items being sold, so that those without a high lvl main, cant buy cheaper gear as it isnt available, therefore they have to spend more gold, in which case they would get the ****s as it costs too much to buy normal gear, more then they can grind anyways, and therefore would stop playing.

the alt system is fine how it is now, there is no need to change it, and honestly, i have no idea why you would want to.

[paultwloha]

Originally Posted by makaveliarts

you live in buffalo? That is like 15 min away from me.

creeper.

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

ok a few points:

1) banning trading between alts, would be akin to removing the trade system and the auction house.

How so? If you are trying to say, my alt (Don't have one) tries to buy a item from your alt, that is perfectly fine. I know that Glitchless WOULD NEVER ban trading between your own alt's because that would piss people like you (Playing for a long time, have multiple alts, use your main to your alts advantage, nothing specifically against you) off.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

2) the fact that there are OP low lvl alts, is a bonus to the game, as alot of low lvl people are too intimidated by those of a higher lvl, so they will ask those around their lvl that look to be doing well, which are really high lvls in disguise, and they get help that way.

Gee, thanks for breaking that down for me, I have never seen that happen before. I am totally blind to the world around me.

Sarcasm aside, I am a OP low lvl. I do not have a high level main that feeds me, or high level friends that feed me. I help low level players, sure, because I want them to stay and continue playing. If your trying to say that your Advantage < Charity, you are wrong.

Just to make this clear to everyone else, people that have a high level main and use it to help their alt benefit from this, and I am at a disadvantage because of this. So yes, if this suggestion passed, your advantage would disappear, meaning I would be benefited. But that does not mean I do this completely out of greed, I feel that giving first time players a fair, equal, PvP playing ground would convince them stay longer. Without PvP, all this game would be is PvE. I for one would not play this game if it were PvE only, and I am sure many others would agree.

Edit: And anyways, it is not like first time players are GAINING an advantage, this is just leveling the playing field.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

3) more arena teams =/= better arena for everyone. why you ask?? you CANT fight an alt in arena, i have 5 toons, if each were on their own team, that means i have 5 teams, and that means that if i get them all in arena at the same time, that there is automatically 4 teams i can not fight.

Do you need to be fighting against your lower level alts? I definitely know that a suggestion like this being implemented would not help you. I'd Imagine that your main is superior to all of your alts. So, this means, you would not be able to kill your alts, but I would, and everyone else. We would benefit, you would no longer have an advantage. But in reality, we are not gaining an advantage, your advantage is just being removed.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

alts play a vital part in this game, for example, if no one had alts, all the capped toons would get to cap, and stay there, and they would all get capped epics.

I agree, but that does not mean your alts should have a advantage against first time players.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

now if there was no low lvl alts, then there is a massive drop in low lvl players grinding, and therefore less epics that are available, aswell as most people with alts, will keep them paid, therefore there alone is a massive loss of low lvl items being sold, so that those without a high lvl main, cant buy cheaper gear as it isnt available, therefore they have to spend more gold, in which case they would get the ****s as it costs too much to buy normal gear, more then they can grind anyways, and therefore would stop playing.

Alts can exist. Alts are a good thing. Using you main to give your alts an advantage on the other hand, I do not feel is a good thing and is detrimental to the balance of the game.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

the alt system is fine how it is now, there is no need to change it, and honestly, i have no idea why you would want to.

Probably because I do not benefit from it at all, I actually might be one of the people that have the most disadvantage from it.

[Sanluciferr]

Boring

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by paultwloha

creeper.

I really hope your JK.


I do not understand why someone would put their location on a public forum where anyone can see, and when I mention how I live nearby they call me a creeper?

Please, if you do not want me trying to start small talk with you about where you live, remove your location lolol. Honestly, I knew the direction this thread was going to be going and I was trying to lighten the mood. I guess I was out of line and every time in game someone commented on how they used to live near me/currently do/have family here they were just being a creeper. Lol, Sinbad your such a creeper (hope he has a forum acc).

[Migleyy]

Originally Posted by paultwloha

creeper.

lol irl

[Smashbros]

easy way to fix this:

make your own alts :O

just for the record, my alts dont get fed from me, so alot of your misconceptions are complete and utter bull****

[Makaveliarts]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

easy way to fix this:

make your own alts :O

just for the record, my alts dont get fed from me, so alot of your misconceptions are complete and utter bull****

I never meant to say that you specifically fed your alts. I hardly know you.

Remember Zerula? That is what happens when people can feed their alts. I mean, it was really awesome, but is that what we want?


How about instead of "GAH YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS BS" You point out what exactly you feel is BS?

This topic is not really about Feeding alts anyways, more just keeping alts out of pvp.

[Jadakris]

MY point is that my Alt's don't feed me, and I don't feed them.. I made them to explore different classes eventually 4/10 characters of mine ended up with accel.. I struggle as it is to get my arena team online at the same time I play (one in my team is my alt).. another team of mine is also two of my alts +another level 70...

Those teams are fairly decent in PvP, however when I was using my level 30~ alt in place of that level 70 I could not make it past 1.2k rating..and also now I have 2 full arena teams of low levels whose rating is above 200 (level 20-30's).. They aren't overpowered, and I don't really care about them getting any tempers.. I do it for the farming bonus and for the gun of it..

This is a truely stupid thread, this game was always like this (using alts) which was one of the reason I play it.. It's not illegal to play more than one character @ once, so why would you start limiting it now? Simply because one low level player wants a better arena rating? So tell me, what happens once you get past 500 rating? do you think you have a chance in hell to make it to 1k rating with a team of level 20's? What about the PK'r teams out there who can't trust people as far as they can throw them? They aren't supposed to be able to get anything because they have a level 60 with two level 10 PK's which they had to pay timecards to get that status?

Just move on, this is apart of this game.