Vicari banned for botting

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by zenga

For most posters above i have a simple question:

what would you prefer:

A] an idiot that never did something in his life but happened to be born rich (really rich) and who decides to spend 50k on nod and becomes the top player out of the blue (obviously by buying resins and transmute those into trophies)

B] a person who studied and put effort in acquiring technical skills, making himself a bot to omit certain repetitive tasks in a game (thus using technology to make his life easier, which is innate to human kind) to boost his char

i'm curious what people would prefer

That is a loaded question Zenga.

I understand perfectly well what you are getting at though.

A major determinant of a person's success in Nodiatis is the money he or she is willing to spend. Practically speaking, a person can not and will never be able to out compete the heavy spenders in terms of overall xp/skills.

What do most people say when you ask them the reason for their opposition to botting. The response goes something like this: the botter does not work for the xp/skills that he/she gets.

Now take a gamer with a free account, or even a standard or premium account. Lets say that this person can not buy extra time cards to burn, let alone be able to afford the acceleration and grinder upgrades. Furthermore, lets say that this person plays the game for hours on end on a daily basis [much longer than the people who are leading the way on the xp tops list].

In essence, the gamer I mentioned above, could say the same thing: "I work so hard on my character, and none of these people on the tops list spend a fraction of the time that I spend on my character. These people do not work for the xp/skills that they get."

In other words:

When you have the rich "idiot"
the aforementioned gamer feels that he/she is not getting sufficient return on his/her time investment; this person complains that the people who are paying more are buying their way to higher xp/skills.

When you have the "smart" botter
the paid gamer feels that he/she is not getting sufficient return on his/her monetary investment; this person complains that the botter is botting his way to higher xp/skills.


With that said, I will pick the rich idiot for the following reason: he is not breaking any rules and is doing precisely what the game developer wants him to do --- that is spending money.

Plus since, he is rich, and stupid, I might be able to get some tc's out of him.

I prefer the idiot because he didn't cheat. Also, he might not be an idiot. Is it unfair to belong to a clan that has Rank 5 runes to give you an advantage? All that matters to me is that people play by the rules.

Have you guys ever considered where the money of the idiot originated? Probably from his dad who monopolizing in RL or probably did a few things against the rules in RL to get him that far.

Most Rich families get rich by doing something against the rules secretly, and after they got rich. They will just buy their way into remaining rich and buy their way out of trouble with an uber powerful lawyer. This applies to loyalty as well; ever wonder how a king comes to be? What happen to the factions that don't support the king? In China, kings often have secret groups that go out and secretly murdered these factions. That's why they have a saying, "Rather kill an innocent than let a possible threat goes by." U.S. did many similar things in history as well.

Real life is not so fancy and fairy tales as you think. There is no clear cut between cheater and what not. Grow up for once. The Rich cheats to get rich, but you are too blinded to see cuz of all the distraction from the media and entertainment.

Hopefully this will shed you guys some light.

[zenga]

Conqueror got my point. I'm not saying botting should be allowed. I'm just saying that someone who automates something in a frigging browser game ain't a criminal? The guy tried it, got busted and act's pretty normal as you can read in his reply. If all the players were so normal like him, it would only be a benefit for the game

[Roeth]

Originally Posted by Athene

Have you guys ever considered where the money of the idiot originated? Probably from his dad who monopolizing in RL or probably did a few things against the rules in RL to get him that far.

Most Rich families get rich by doing something against the rules secretly, and after they got rich. They will just buy their way into remaining rich and buy their way out of trouble with an uber powerful lawyer. This applies to loyalty as well; ever wonder how a king comes to be? What happen to the factions that don't support the king? In China, kings often have secret groups that go out and secretly murdered these factions. That's why they have a saying, "Rather kill an innocent than let a possible threat goes by." U.S. did many similar things in history as well.

Real life is not so fancy and fairy tales as you think. There is no clear cut between cheater and what not. Grow up for once. The Rich cheats to get rich, but you are too blinded to see cuz of all the distraction from the media and entertainment.

Hopefully this will shed you guys some light.

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of Athene ...

Don't remember what socialist mean, for real, lol. I just want to point out some info; not really into picking any side.

As far as I see, the bot maker does break the rule. The rich idiot got his families to break the rules for him by ruining families, murdering ppl, and etc.

One side ruins gaming communities by mass producing uber characters quickly. One side ruins Real Life people.

Both are not that great. However, I support them both because they are following one of the human's basic instinct, GREED.

It is always legal til you get caught.

[Kyron]

this thread is weird. and you are all on crack.

ty
<3

Originally Posted by Athene

Have you guys ever considered where the money of the idiot originated? Probably from his dad who monopolizing in RL or probably did a few things against the rules in RL to get him that far.

Most Rich families get rich by doing something against the rules secretly, and after they got rich. They will just buy their way into remaining rich and buy their way out of trouble with an uber powerful lawyer. This applies to loyalty as well; ever wonder how a king comes to be? What happen to the factions that don't support the king? In China, kings often have secret groups that go out and secretly murdered these factions. That's why they have a saying, "Rather kill an innocent than let a possible threat goes by." U.S. did many similar things in history as well.

Real life is not so fancy and fairy tales as you think. There is no clear cut between cheater and what not. Grow up for once. The Rich cheats to get rich, but you are too blinded to see cuz of all the distraction from the media and entertainment.

Hopefully this will shed you guys some light.

I guess doctors and anesthesiologists are rule breakers and criminals.

[Jon]

'The betrayers will be betrayed..'

- Thetruthrevealed

[Middington]

Originally Posted by sherman

I guess doctors and anesthesiologists are rule breakers and criminals.

Are they wealthy? There is a difference between wealthy, filthy rich and just rich.

Look it up, the percentage of poor, working family having kids making into doctors are really really low. Why?

Search for a copy of a book called Equality (I think that was the title). It will tell you how your rich doctors fix the system so that a well talented kids that live in the near by town can't go to same prestige school their children are attending even if the poor parents work their ass off to afford the tuition.

The talented and smart kids truly want to that school up on the hill but instead they have to settle for a school where the books is 25 years outdated, the cafeteria is backed up with sewage from the power plant, thus making them sick and die at the age of 20.

The freaking rich doctors are so freaking greedy, they don't want to share the classroom of 10 to poor outsiders, so they bribed the city council to put up weird ass laws making their children stayed doctors while the poor kids, regardless how talented or smart, will grow up to work in the power plant (this is not advanced nuclear power plant i am talking about but the ****ty ones that can get you killed).

Sad thing is this is still happening in the U.S.A as we are speaking right now.

[Faithfulservant]

It would be nice to add your botting rules to the general forums rules thread also. I understand they're in the ToS but not everyone checks.

Most games do not allow bots for exp/gold...

Originally Posted by Athene

Look it up, the percentage of poor, working family having kids making into doctors are really really low. Why?

Search for a copy of a book called Equality (I think that was the title). It will tell you how your rich doctors fix the system so that a well talented kids that live in the near by town can't go to same prestige school their children are attending even if the poor parents work their ass off to afford the tuition.

The talented and smart kids truly want to that school up on the hill but instead they have to settle for a school where the books is 25 years outdated, the cafeteria is backed up with sewage from the power plant, thus making them sick and die at the age of 20.

The freaking rich doctors are so freaking greedy, they don't want to share the classroom of 10 to poor outsiders, so they bribed the city council to put up weird ass laws making their children stayed doctors while the poor kids, regardless how talented or smart, will grow up to work in the power plant (this is not advanced nuclear power plant i am talking about but the ****ty ones that can get you killed).

Sad thing is this is still happening in the U.S.A as we are speaking right now.

Usually when you read a book called Equality, the bias is in the opposite direction.

Talented kids can get into prestige schools, ever heard of Princeton?

They PROMISE that if you get accepted, they will make sure that you graduate WITHOUT debts.

Have you heard of scholarships? Student loans? Military? There are many opportunities.

Yes, I do realize that not all of the options apply to everyone, but guess what, that's why it pays to research your options.

What makes them prestige schools? Only the elite(be it wealthy or talented) get in, and not everyone.

If everyone got everything they deserved, then those prestige colleges would become normal. There would be a surplus of anesthesiologists, thus lowering the amount they get paid.

The whole concept that not everyone gets everything, is great. This may sound cold-hearted etc, but it is for the best.

An example of everyone getting everything failing, is socialized medicine.

[figgy]

some how this thread has went into the twilight zone

We either in a different zone or you don't get what i am saying. The talented got their fate sealed at such a young age that makes it impossible for them to have a chance at your so-called Princeton.

Guess you didn't clearly read the part about how they have to begin working early and die at early age. Their so-called potential is dumped in the trash can before they even get into middle school.

Yes, I agree with you that asking for equality is impossible because that's how life is. However, these kids I am talking about don't even have the minimum fundage.

It is like this, there is minimum wage in Cali (8.00/hour), then there is cheap skate who hires Mexicans and secretly pay 6/hour (my uncle is the cheap skate who does this in Texas even as we are speaking right now). Then there is the ****ty wage 2/hour. That is the picture I am talking about.

The Princeton picture that you are painting applies to may be poor Asian families who lived in California. Sure these guys can get into Princeton because they belong to the minimum or below minimum. The ****ty minimum have 0 chance. Why? The so-called elite families full of doctors living near by bribed the city council to keep this kind of picture running indefinitely, generations after generations, in order to protect their family lineage.

If you (Sherman and Middington) guys think that this is not breaking the rules, should I go ahead and bribe my way to get my master and PHD? I mean you are ok with doctors bribing to the point that their kids attend 5th grade class with like 10 students (more attention time from the teacher), uber facilities and hand-on equiments. That is like buying your way into higher chance of eliteness. However, I guess you still like that kind of fair play Sherman.

Yes this thread has gone into the twilight zone.

However, I wanted to go back to the guy that offer two choice between the rich and the bot maker.

The Bot maker violates the rule of the game and ruin gaming community. Most of the rich, on the other hand, at some point in their family lineage ruined real life people. They cheat to get rich at some point and stay rich by using loop holes in the law. Both are cheaters, one way or another. I support them both until they get caught.

[Hopilus]

the first half until zengas last response, made me think...
everything after that...*watchs 5 minutes of my life go down the drain*

Originally Posted by Kyron

this thread is weird. and you are all on crack.

ty
<3

yap

Originally Posted by Athene

We either in a different zone or you don't get what i am saying. The talented got their fate sealed at such a young age that makes it impossible for them to have a chance at your so-called Princeton.

Guess you didn't clearly read the part about how they have to begin working early and die at early age. Their so-called potential is dumped in the trash can before they even get into middle school.

Yes, I agree with you that asking for equality is impossible because that's how life is. However, these kids I am talking about don't even have the minimum fundage.

It is like this, there is minimum wage in Cali (8.00/hour), then there is cheap skate who hires Mexicans and secretly pay 6/hour (my uncle is the cheap skate who does this in Texas even as we are speaking right now). Then there is the ****ty wage 2/hour. That is the picture I am talking about.

The Princeton picture that you are painting applies to may be poor Asian families who lived in California. Sure these guys can get into Princeton because they belong to the minimum or below minimum. The ****ty minimum have 0 chance. Why? The so-called elite families full of doctors living near by bribed the city council to keep this kind of picture running indefinitely, generations after generations, in order to protect their family lineage.

If you (Sherman and Middington) guys think that this is not breaking the rules, should I go ahead and bribe my way to get my master and PHD? I mean you are ok with doctors bribing to the point that their kids attend 5th grade class with like 10 students (more attention time from the teacher), uber facilities and hand-on equiments. That is like buying your way into higher chance of eliteness. However, I guess you still like that kind of fair play Sherman.

Yes this thread has gone into the twilight zone.

However, I wanted to go back to the guy that offer two choice between the rich and the bot maker.

The Bot maker violates the rule of the game and ruin gaming community. Most of the rich, on the other hand, at some point in their family lineage ruined real life people. They cheat to get rich at some point and stay rich by using loop holes in the law. Both are cheaters, one way or another. I support them both until they get caught.

You seem to be confused. You make it sound as if none of the truly talented get to go anywhere, EVAR!

You also make it sound that the underpaid Hispanics/Asians are the truly talented.

Those are stereotypes, and fail. Many Asians are talented, Hispanics are as well, but not all of them are dirt poor.

You are basing your assumptions your demographics, your little closed off world, and some ignorant bias you have read.

Like I said before, the truly talented have many opportunites, besides paying for higher educations THEMSELVES.

I suggest you look into Scholarships, Student loans, Private loans, the military, etc.

Originally Posted by Athene

Don't remember what socialist mean, for real, lol. I just want to point out some info; not really into picking any side.

As far as I see, the bot maker does break the rule. The rich idiot got his families to break the rules for him by ruining families, murdering ppl, and etc.

One side ruins gaming communities by mass producing uber characters quickly. One side ruins Real Life people.

Both are not that great. However, I support them both because they are following one of the human's basic instinct, GREED.

It is always legal til you get caught.

if you support greed, then you support every single thing that's wrong with this world

it's not a basic human instinct, it's a depravity