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[thatperson]

ur damage is still too low paster take the highest damaging pet polar bear (prolly not best i havnt checked if its feasible to use) 43 base damage *2 for taming at 100 *1.25 for ferocity*1.24 for the BM bonus *2 for stalking*1.5 for a crit ....and since all crits are accompanied by a bleed if u have it at the right lvl *2 for the bleed ....totaling about 800 total damage from one pet on one turn.....do the same for healing 43*2*1.75*1.24*2=373 from each pet now anyone who says whip users arent OP are completely retarded ....thats all i can say

Originally Posted by Pasterqb

well figgy seeing as how the 74s reflect 20% of the enemies dps back at them makes them OP on there own

and if you include pets then BAM that's like healing 40% of the dmg you take during the pets turn and the pets also deal dmg

not to bring up crush but they have an advantage of only lvling STR which makes them hit for max dmg far more often than slashers(I don't think anyone is 100% sure on how piercerS work), but I guess we have to wait and see how overpowered the next epic crusher is (I plan on switching to crush to maximize my warrior ability)

crush has the advantage? of course you would say that. why wait for the epic? why not change now? they are better right? how bout we talk about the lack of epic crushers through out the levels. we got 1 dual wield crusher (59). we cant use epicurious skill atm. if crushers were better you wouldnt be beating them all with the 81's. give up on the crusher is better talk. in fact ask people somone who leveled both which is better. since you havent got crushing up to see for yourself. i can give you a name if needed. the thing that hurt crushers was the stoic. seeing as how smash is a stun the stoic takes care of it. making it more useless then bleed. would i use a aura to void out the slasher bleed? hell yes i would. then we we both would have worthless wepon skills to work with.

[Relic]

All I want to say is this;

Obviously due to all the complaints, (1)something is going to be done to either nerf whip users, or (2)something will be implemented to increase other classes effectiveness against whip users.

With that said, just keep in mind that Whips in my experience is the only way to take down a good archer or caster, without them there is no chance, not with crushing, slashing, or piercing. So obviously crushing, slashing, and piercing are in the same boat as archery & casting against whips.

I know and trust that Glitchless will repair this imbalance with minimal detrimentality on the hard earned skills, experience, of players and Nodiatis economy.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by weirdgrivi

Also, even if this makes me Jeff spank me once again and ban me from forums, I must say :

CASTERS ARE TRULY AND DEFINITELY UNDER POWERED !

I suggest adding a skill that diminishes the opponent's CNT and another one that gives a chance for gems to ignore protect auras. Also more epic staffs and gem slots and epic gems in store :P

This should give birth to some nice flames

i agree with the bold part only

yea, lets have more gem slots!

[Sleepingfox]

Originally Posted by thatperson

ok paster i stand corrected....i willl gladly give up my right to vote in these polls to keep retards like this from it....ive never dueled a whip user either sleeping but i can do the basic math to look at their skills and see how OP they are

i dont fell like doing math besides. everyone is voting whips. there pets can do like...3 or 4 time the normal damage (or more, like i said i am not doing math) and that added with the high chance to growl, and and the the damage over time thing. i can vote like i want :>

[thatperson]

if your not gonna make an educated vote DONT VOTE YOU SKEW THE RESULTS

Originally Posted by Power

crush has the advantage? of course you would say that. why wait for the epic? why not change now? they are better right? how bout we talk about the lack of epic crushers through out the levels. we got 1 dual wield crusher (59). we cant use epicurious skill atm. if crushers were better you wouldnt be beating them all with the 81's. give up on the crusher is better talk. in fact ask people somone who leveled both which is better. since you havent got crushing up to see for yourself. i can give you a name if needed. the thing that hurt crushers was the stoic. seeing as how smash is a stun the stoic takes care of it. making it more useless then bleed. would i use a aura to void out the slasher bleed? hell yes i would. then we we both would have worthless wepon skills to work with.

Only TWO epic 2-Handers!

The 22 and the 71!

How is that for balanced?

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by thatperson

if your not gonna make an educated vote DONT VOTE YOU SKEW THE RESULTS

I wish I could use that as a viable defense against anyone who disagrees with my views.

EDIT: taking out the part of my response that was considered political by Klippi; had no intention of making political statements.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Wish I could say that to the majority of the people in the US or in any other so called democratic country for that matter.

In fact, I wish I could use that as a viable defense against anyone who disagrees with my views.

well it looks like you've been influenced by propaganda. there's two sides to a story

and don't bring politics here. >:^{D

[thatperson]

Originally Posted by Conqueror

Wish I could say that to the majority of the people in the US or in any other so called democratic country for that matter.

In fact, I wish I could use that as a viable defense against anyone who disagrees with my views.

and i would say that to the voters in most "democratic" countries....but as klippi said no politics here so ill stop at that



sleepingfox constantly responds to threads he has no clue what they are about ...or he has done no research into the topic so his comments are retarded...a fine example is him saying why he voted for DWers .....so yes i will tell him not to vote in a poll when hes gonna just say something completely retarded about it

[Conqueror]

Wasn't interested in talking about politics at all.

I was just saying that he has every right to vote in this poll. Glitchless didn't establish any prerequisites in order to vote here. In his experience, dual wielders are overpowered and he said it. He doesn't deserve to be bashed or degraded for posting his opinion.

And the truth is that he is not lying. At or around his level, dual wielders are indeed the strongest characters followed closely by bow users.

Finally, it is his individual right to vote here and:
“Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).” Ayn Rand quotes (Russian born American Writer and Novelist, 1905-1982)

Again: not interested at all in politics. I'm just saying, leave the man alone. If you disagree with him, cancel his vote by using yours.

[thatperson]

the question was which are OP not which are OP at your lvl....most of the time people are refering to being OP they are referring to endgame unless they are referring to a specific weapon such as the ZCs...dual weilders arent OP at lvl 36 either a well built archer can easily dispatch one and now angels and priests dominate there also....so again he needs to do more research b4 he decides to post an opinion (im not just referring to this thread read up on many of his other posts around the forums)

[Kyron]

Hm well, whats a poll good for if there are only 42 votes coming (out of playerbase of 1-2k ?) ..?

But even by that it should be clear that Whips and DD is doing fine, and rather boost the other classes some more.

Its always better to boost than to nerf

*goes back to train whipper*

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by thatperson

the question was which are OP not which are OP at your lvl....most of the time people are refering to being OP they are referring to endgame unless they are referring to a specific weapon such as the ZCs...dual weilders arent OP at lvl 36 either a well built archer can easily dispatch one and now angels and priests dominate there also....so again he needs to do more research b4 he decides to post an opinion (im not just referring to this thread read up on many of his other posts around the forums)

I was just saying, that he has a right to make uninformed decisions if that is what he wants.

Originally Posted by Kyron

Hm well, whats a poll good for if there are only 42 votes coming (out of playerbase of 1-2k ?) ..?

But even by that it should be clear that Whips and DD is doing fine, and rather boost the other classes some more.

Its always better to boost than to nerf

*goes back to train whipper*

Lmao

Teh legendary dino itself trying to protect itz tail, I mean itz pew pew from getting nerfed.
[listen to this dino; there is a reason it is not extinct].

Coming back to the issue:
I really do agree that boosting other classes is a better way to go than to nerf DD casters or whip/pet users.

However, the way this poll is worded, I will have to vote for whip/pet users. DD casters can, at the very least, be effectively countered if you tailor build your character to fight them; whip/pet users, like some have pointed out, can not be countered effectively.

EDIT: because the poll does not specify whether we are talking about pvp or pve, I will vote for DD casters too because they are perhaps the fastest when it comes to killing mobs.

(what that person said in a post above explains the problem quite effectively in my opinion):

Originally Posted by thatperson

ur damage is still too low paster take the highest damaging pet polar bear (prolly not best i havnt checked if its feasible to use) 43 base damage *2 for taming at 100 *1.25 for ferocity*1.24 for the BM bonus *2 for stalking*1.5 for a crit ....and since all crits are accompanied by a bleed if u have it at the right lvl *2 for the bleed ....totaling about 800 total damage from one pet on one turn.....do the same for healing 43*2*1.75*1.24*2=373 from each pet now anyone who says whip users arent OP are completely retarded ....thats all i can say

Nice post that person


DoT Casters
I never understood why some people refuse to use dds. Even if your class gets bonuses to dot usage, dd's won't hurt. Yes, I agree that casters who use only dots have a lower dps but I don't see this as a problem. Just use some dd's. Make your pouch a mixture of dots and dd's. That is what I do on my caster. Again this is just my opinion. Please don't get insulted if you are a so called "dot caster."

Lollygaggers
It is my feeling that the class abilities' patch should have either given everyone a damage causing ability or no one a damage causing ability (everyone could have gotten auras or other effects suited to their class; this would have been a better option in my opinion).

However, when you have classes with abilities that cause a guaranteed amount of damage at the push of a button [for example, the ranger's ability, at level 80, gives a guaranteed 954 damage every time the button is pushed] classes like adventurers with their ludicrous lollygagging ability will definitely be underpowered.

The weapon master ability poses a similar issue. http://forums.nodiatis.com/forums/re...html#post67637
I would have regarded this ability as an excellent choice if every other class was getting similar aura type abilities. But when you give some classes a high amount of guaranteed damage and then you give weapon masters this ability, there is definitely going to be a balance issue.

Finally, once again, I will reiterate that boosting is better than nerfing.

Cheers

[Roeth]

I've voted here, for pet/whip users.

Please not, I haven't voted for Beastmasters as a class, some who have voted seem to think that they are voting for/against a class (the calcs for pet damage and heals include BM class bonuses).

However, there is slightly more to it than that. Yes, I feel that BMs in particular, and whip users generally, can be OP. However, they have to put a hell of a lot of trophies into skills to get those OP skills (Growl, Intimidate and Fire and Ice are ALL level 40 skills, Stalking is a level 60 skill, no other class has this weakness)

Oh, and if you want to calculate the DPS of a pet, then if you are going to include the Stalking bonus, then you really have to include the 'slow' effect from Stalking as well. Saying that a pet can max out at 800 damage is pointless, unless you include how often it can inflict that damage.

So yes, a VERY well built BM does has a huge advantage, but to gain that advantage they have to build very powerfully, levelling up all those skills. Compare this to Archers/bow users generally. They get most of their damage enhancement skills from the start, and almost completely from level 20.

Also, what other class starts off with NO useful 'weapon' straight out. Lowest pet is at petmanship 10.

BM-types CAN be OP. But they start very slowly, and to be OP, they have to level up a frightening number of level 40 and 60 skills.

[Conqueror]

I should have said pet / whip users [not beast masters] because that is what I meant. I will edit my earlier post. Was not talking about the class itself.

Also yes, they do have to level a lot of level 40 and level 60 skills but beast master types have an advantage that other people do not: they can use both spirit and combat trophies. That is a huge advantage in my opinion.

[thatperson]

i also have to agree with u roeth i shoulda left out the bm bonus from my calcs but even then the numbers are frightfully high ....and as conqueror said they can use spirit and combat so the lvl 40 skills are like lvl 20 skills and lvl 60 somewhere in between lvl 20 and 40 so they dont have to struggle as much to level up said skills as someone who can only use spirits or can only use combats

[RogueTigeR]

Originally Posted by Relic

All I want to say is this;

Obviously due to all the complaints, (1)something is going to be done to either nerf whip users, or (2)something will be implemented to increase other classes effectiveness against whip users.

With that said, just keep in mind that Whips in my experience is the only way to take down a good archer or caster, without them there is no chance, not with crushing, slashing, or piercing. So obviously crushing, slashing, and piercing are in the same boat as archery & casting against whips.

I know and trust that Glitchless will repair this imbalance with minimal detrimentality on the hard earned skills, experience, of players and Nodiatis economy.

i voted for DD casters and whip users... so on this note, i would like to buff up non-whip melee, and bow users rather than nerf the others.

[thatperson]

agreed im all for a buff rather than a nerf....but bear in mind that means a mob buff also