New DoT skills

Asylum it is nigh impossible to negotiate with them. They are bent on dissing Jeff on the rune patch, merely because they didn't get it brought to them on a silver platter.

Originally Posted by Sietchlord

sounded a lot like that also to me ^_^
...but, since i'm no English, isn't the correct expression "tongue-in-cheek"?
(I am no ttrying to pull your leg, olsamm... i am just curious )

anyway, nice skills. Looking forward to try them.

Yaknow...I believe you're right...lol

Oops!

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by sherman

Asylum it is nigh impossible to negotiate with them. They are bent on dissing Jeff on the rune patch, merely because they didn't get it brought to them on a silver platter.

i dont believe thats it at all. i believe it is cause the runes are a joke, yeah some can help, but the "caster buff" that was a rune. yes that is a joke, and yes alot of people will diss jeff for it.

You have proved my point.

[Smashbros]

now im curious.

an update that helps everyone, yes runes can help everyone not just casters, :O yes i know its a shock, you might want to sit down now that you have been told.

is NOT a buff to a certain class. it is a buff to everyone in every class as everyone has the same ability to use any of the runes. yes some have terms that need to be met, like using a staff or an archery set, or a slashing weapon, or a shield.

saying that this update that helped EVERYONE only helps 1 class is stupid and not a buff for that 1 class at all.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

now im curious.

an update that helps everyone, yes runes can help everyone not just casters, :O yes i know its a shock, you might want to sit down now that you have been told.

is NOT a buff to a certain class. it is a buff to everyone in every class as everyone has the same ability to use any of the runes. yes some have terms that need to be met, like using a staff or an archery set, or a slashing weapon, or a shield.

saying that this update that helped EVERYONE only helps 1 class is stupid and not a buff for that 1 class at all.

Wow, you just called Glitchless/Jeff stupid.

That is against the rules.

To make a response to your post, the rune is helpful.
He didn't say that the runes were ONLY for casters, what he did say is that the casters received a buff in the form of a rune.

The rune allows you to get more gems at one time. That means you have a better chance of getting the gem you want.

How is that not a buff?

Oh that's right, a buff is considered when only one class receives an upgrade and other classes are either unchanged or nerfed.

Like I said, you have proved my point.

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by sherman

Wow, you just called Glitchless/Jeff stupid.

That is against the rules.

To make a response to your post, the rune is helpful.
He didn't say that the runes were ONLY for casters, what he did say is that the casters received a buff in the form of a rune.

The rune allows you to get more gems at one time. That means you have a better chance of getting the gem you want.

How is that not a buff?

Oh that's right, a buff is considered when only one class receives an upgrade and other classes are either unchanged or nerfed.

Like I said, you have proved my point.

only going to talk about the bold part:

no it doesnt allow you to get more gems. It offers a CHANCE to get an extra gem at the start of battle. which is completely useless to someone who is not a standard account atleast.

Namely cause of the skill Gem Handling which allows you to start the battle with 3 runes in play aswell as the 1st slot taken already from having a staff.

and if you wanted to get picky they is a skill, Sleight of hand, that allows you to start battle with a gem already in your slot ready to be drawn instead of waiting for it.

So yes if the rune GUARANTEED that we would get an extra gem in play (it doesnt until rank 3) then it would be a slight buff. BUT in saying that only a very few of the class would in fact be able to use this "buff" as they would have to be in a clan that is warring/has warred in the past, and that that clan is willing to give up the rp+dominance+territory to help a couple of their members in the clan.

then on top of that your also figuring that the casters have to miss out on 1 more spot for a rune that they could use that others can use that can help them out. still giving the casters a disadvantage over other classes.

and no i dont believe a buff to be

a buff is considered when only one class receives an upgrade and other classes are either unchanged or nerfed.

i believe a buff to be something that helps the class that it is intended to help, but can be accessed but others aswell.

something that effected the damage of gems, or even the price of gems would be a buff IMHO as they mainly effect the casters that use them mostly. but they would also be able to be used by the rest of nod.

These caster runes can be accessed by all of the casters, granted they are in a clan.

That means, join a clan, war, and win. I see no problem with making someone work for a buff.

A chance to start out with extra gems, that is better than not giving you crap. I don't see how that isn't as effective to non-paid players, maybe because of lack of gem space? Ok, then that means the person has to prioritize. If you want to complain about non-paid casters not having enough gem slots for the rune to be effective, then why not just complain about them not having enough to use?

The point is, it is a matter of using everything to your advantage and prioritizing your needs.

You guys are getting epic gems DD gems, have fun with them.

Edit: Yes coccyx I have. Like I said before, he didn't give it to you on a silver platter, so you throw it away.

Don't be let down and start complaining in here if the epic gems aren't what you expected.

That's why you are here complaining about runes, you built up your expectations to high, and they came tumbling down when you realized what they really were.

lol classic (nubby and uninsightful) sherm!

[Smashbros]

with the runes i had no idea to what to expect and assumed they were for everyone. the thing i was pissed off about was that jeff had stated in an earlier post that casters would be getting a buff, then he changed it so that the runes WERE the buff.

yes with a non paying caster they have 4 gem spots to use, with other skills maxed (lets assume everything is maxed for this convo to get rid of speculation and to cut down on the variables)

ok so if i have Sleight of hand maxed, Gem handling maxed, and im using a staff plus i have rank 5 of the rune of Incantation.

that means that at a MINIMUM i will have the following at the start of the battle:

1 gem that i start with normally.
3 Auras that i have at the start of my pouch.
1 gem thats waiting to be put into play cause of sleight of hand
2 gems from the rune.

now that would mean that we have 6 gems already in play, with 1 waiting to be put into play.

we have 6 possible slots for gems in play. all 6 are available IF we are premium.

now lets say we get lucky and the rune gives us 3 gems, seeing as it gives 2-3 gems at the start of battle. we would then have 7 gems in play and 1 waiting to be in play.

yet we only have 6 slots. does this mean we grow an extra slot?? or is jeff just assuming that no one will EVER have those skills maxed aswell as the rank 5 rune?? which in that case he is setting casters up to fail.

[Glitchless]

It merely gives you the flexibility to draw extra gems if you don't wish to have the maximum amount of auras in play to begin with. You're actually complaining about an extra option that the rune gives you... hard to believe.

just see it as a bonus


EDIT
damn u jeff an my lagging ds!

hows the dlc coming along?
ahze stopped aiding?

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

It merely gives you the flexibility to draw extra gems if you don't wish to have the maximum amount of auras in play to begin with. You're actually complaining about an extra option that the rune gives you... hard to believe.

but the extra gems can be more a hindrance then they can help (not always the case but most of the time it is)

with gems being drawn out it is random, right??

now that randomness will be applied to the runes right??

now if that is the case this could happen:

say i have (as before) maxed out sleight of hand, gem handling and i have a staff equipped and i am a premium player (so i can use all my gem slots)

say i am lvl 35, so i have 35 gem slots in my pouch.

in my pouch lets assume i have the following:


3 black DD gems (with 3 of each) in total 9 black DD gems.
3 red DD gems (3 of each) in total 9 red DD gems
2 more red DD gems (lower lvled) making another 5 red DD gems for 14 total red DD gems.

at this point in time we have 23 DD gems.

now for other gems.

1 escape gem (yes a bad habbit, but i just lvled soo its there for the sake of argument)
2 Balance gems
1 hasten gem draw gem
1 taunt gem
2 invigorate gem
2 manaburst gem
2 flare up aura gems
1 daze negate aura


ok thats 35 gems in total.

at the start of a battle not all of the gems are useful.

the following are useless at the start of a battle:
2 invigorate gem
2 manaburst gem
1 escape gem
1 flare up aura gems
1 taunt gem (assuming your soloing)


ok thats 7 of the 35 gems that are useless at the start of the battle (which is 20% of the total gems in my pouch)

ok now say we have 1 of the auras in the 2nd slot, and we get our normal first gem, (which is a DD gem)

thats 33.3% of the slots taken already leaving 66.7% of the slots available.

now ,assuming we will get 3 gems out based on the rune, our chances of getting 1 DD gem is 62%, getting another DD gem lowers it to 60% for the 2nd and getting a 3rd is 57% (remember this is based on above gem pouch figures).

now that seems like a great chance of happening, but you also have the other gems.

your chance of getting 3 completely useless gems (based on the above part) is about 20%, and getting a mixture of decent and useless gems is about 30% (roughly)

so while yes it is more likely then not, at all skills maxed, a better chance of getting a decent draw out then not, not everyone has maxed out skills. and if there is only a 57% chance of someone getting the best case scenario at skills maxed out of 100 with 100% of it happening, then a lower level caster (a complete guess here but id say that the majority of casters are between levels 20-40), who would not be able to max a skill out at 100 and will, even with skills leveled above their level, would receive a % of the total 57% chance. as their skills are at (say about level 40) they would have a 40% chance of the total 57% chance of getting the ideal drawing, which is a 22.8% chance.

now lets say a level that people can live with, about 33.3% of the total amount is a decent % for a skill to work at.

they would still need to be at a level of (their skills this is mind you) 58 before they have a 33.06% chance of getting the ideal gem draw

also saying we get the skills to lvl 100, we would be on the lvl max, which atm is at 70, therefore holding 70 gems in our pouch. and if we have the same build as the 35 pouch, just twice as much as we hold twice as much gems, then you would have 46 DD gems. which is a 61% chance of having 4 DD gems drawn straight away.

Originally Posted by Smashbros

also saying we get the skills to lvl 100, we would be on the lvl max, which atm is at 70, therefore holding 70 gems in our pouch. and if we have the same build as the 35 pouch, just twice as much as we hold twice as much gems, then you would have 46 DD gems. which is a 61% chance of having 4 DD gems drawn straight away.

This whole post had my probability senses tingling, but the only part I actually crunched the numbers on was this last part...and boy howdy...

I'm showin' the probability of drawing 4DD gems in a 46 out of 70 scenario as under 17.8%


Also...@AsylumDreams...thanx for my new sig ;-)

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Olsamm

This whole post had my probability senses tingling, but the only part I actually crunched the numbers on was this last part...and boy howdy...

I'm showin' the probability of drawing 4DD gems in a 46 out of 70 scenario as under 17.8%


Also...@AsylumDreams...thanx for my new sig ;-)

yeah after looking back over it. i realised i completly stuffed up the maths lol.

i stuffed it up by not adding that it was drawing 3 gems, just that it was drawing another gem from 1 less DD in the pouch.

buuut yours sounds more realistic lol.

[Glitchless]

We apologize if previous buffs to your class were not to your specific liking, however, keep in mind there is another caster buff pending with a specified date of August the 14th - epic DD's and DoT's. Not every patch is guaranteed to provide changes to simultaneously make everyone happy. We are continually working to provide balance while maintaining a healthy diversity among classes.

[Archerjess]

I'm suprised Glitchless doesn't kick you in the pants Cyx

[Smashbros]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

We apologize if previous buffs to your class were not to your specific liking, however, keep in mind there is another caster buff pending with a specified date of August the 14th - epic DD's and DoT's. Not every patch is guaranteed to provide changes to simultaneously make everyone happy. We are continually working to provide balance while maintaining a healthy diversity among classes.

i understand that and as i play many online games, know that you can never please everyone, and as i code myself i know the time and effort that is spent in coming up with the updates.

thank you for acknowledging that not everyone is happy with the updates that have come, as you would of expected (maybe not to the scale that happened).

we do look forward to more updates and HOPE that they can better the classes that are weaker in the game, to make it fairer and more fun for everyone to play.

No problem Olsamm
you may enjoy this one too though

Originally Posted by weirdgrivi

Sorry for being a disgrace to the human race and to this game, I shouldn't have been born, I apologize for being such a shame and a black sheep you see me as...

hmmmm?