Got Looted By Pks and i wasnt even PK?>

[Bren_nerb]

Originally Posted by Glitchless

The records indicate you forced combat a non PK and did not kill or end up fighting them, thus crossing you over to PK status shortly before engaging in combat with the group of 3 PKs who ultimately killed you. The fact that you're even mentioning redeeming is a bit suspicious as well, considering there's no such thing as redeeming unless it's a PK killing another PK.

What it looks like is a failed attempt to have 3 characters of lower level redeem killing one higher level PK - not realizing that this only works if the total group level of those redeeming is less than or equal to the total group level of the PKs being killed. After that was botched you cooked up a story to try to recover your dead character.

The records don't lie but unfortunately people often do, and the evidence is overwhelming that this is a fraudulent report which undermines player confidence and wastes developer time. Crusher will have a 7 day ban, you can e-mail help@nodiatis.com after 7 days to have it lifted.

Busted!!!!!!!! You can't lie about this ****.. Cmon Crusher, the admins of the site will have logs of it XD

[Enduir]

Originally Posted by glitchless

the records indicate you forced combat a non pk and did not kill or end up fighting them, thus crossing you over to pk status

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[idiot94]

sigh, it is disgusting to see events like this.

Honestly speaking, glitch, 7-day ban is too light a penalty for it. This should result in a permanent ban.

Right now permanent ban includes violations like account/pwd sharing things, which is not entirely cheating (since even if shared, player still have to actually play in order to gain anything). This is intentional, repeated, relentless and hostile cheating, deceiving and framing.

(not entirely proper, but if compared to tax, for example, sharing is like wrongfully report for household to escape some tax, but first of all the involved had to work to get the income. The consequence is most likely an audit. This offense is like forging evidence, document and report to IRS to get a refund, and repeatedly! I am pretty sure you end up in jail for this.)

[Milkchan]

why would he let a group of pks redeem on him while he had his whole equipment on? equipment he partially just put on a few days ago (78 suit).
and he also just reached end of boon just a bit ago...why reroll right after when equip is pretty powerfull and he did not get any real extra xp for a bigger boon?

[idiot94]

because any and all of cheaters are sheer stupid.

[Milkchan]

not a very intelligent answer, idiot.

[idiot94]

hmm.... so you felt personal about that answer? .... That says a lot

[Lurkee]

Apple it was obvious he didn't fully understand how redeeming worked. Then he lied when it didn't go the way he was expecting. The 3 other toons could have misinformed him about redeeming, but he still would have to go PK himself first and see all the warnings and have to type PLAYERKILL and then lie about it after.

[Underkid]

I understand ppl dont like crusher, but pls be reasonable... about logs not failling, thats not entirelly true, i just "sued" my university cause i "inscribed" myself to do an exam, payed 30 euros, and my name didnt appear on the checklist, and i had my receipt, so their logs were not accurate, and i barelly passed the exam so they will have to do something about it. So pls be humans and dont treat ppl as numbers, thats one of the things i most hate. I'm not saying crusher is right or not, i would just like to see "absolute proof", cause i was on all day, and i cant be sure if he tried to pk or not, but i really think he didnt, and for sure he is not stupid to fight tiras group knowing he could be a pk if he actually tried to kill someone.

and for those who still insist on it, when he says redeem he wants to say renew, cause tiras group wanted to renew, we were talking on both clans, truth and dtnor, and none of us knew what happened, cause this wasnt the first time they did it... so pls glitch, look into things one more time

i dont know what actually happened, but if crusher really wasnt a pker, it is completelly unfair considering the effort he put onto his char... if he really lied, a 7 day ban is too light. Thanks for the concern, i have a class now, cya later

[idiot94]

Underkid: you may have a good point. HOWEVER:

for a system to have a record error: it is possible to MISS some event (due to server error or latency etc.). Now please tell me, how can a system CREATE a non-exist event? With name, time, action etc. all that details?

[Sexykills]

i think your all funny at how badly you interpeted his post, he didnt mean redeam, he ment to say renew obviously as there is no bonus he coulda given that trio with a redeam... they dont have any intention of redeaming so simply put: whathe said was that he was doing a setup renew of there bonus by forcing on them so they would avoid going open range and also as he said he has renewed them before .

now the part that screwed up was probably that he was grouped with his pk alt when it went pk and gave him the pk status which i thought couldnt be done on first kill to get pk status(what i mean is i didnt think 2 non pkers that were grouped could force someone for 1st kill)

or he may have at some time forced and typed playerkill alone on his toon and seeing how he didnt kill them he mighta thought he wasnt a pk..

i know there are alot of confussion about pk/pkk/DM etc but mostly about pk. i get tons of questions all the time about it and tbh there should be an updated guide on forums and old pk info should be deleted ..

so i see it as a possible misunderstanding , ya he may have tried to lie too in hopes of covering his mistake and trying to get his work back idk but idt it was a total attempt at a scam because as i said was ment as renew of bonus not redeam ..

now the disclaimer.. i in no way know for sure what happened and never talked to him , not taking his side either as i only know him like most you do rairly say a word to each other so not being bias here just what i think he was meaning to say and what he ment .

[Thomas Jordan]

Sexykill's interpretation is consistent with what was visible in civil chat and the "Pk message panel." He did seem thoroughly confused by what had just happened, both in civil chat and his postings here.

Glitch said the logs show that he did type "Playerkill" (or whatever the exact term is) but didn't actually kill another player. That would be consistent with an interpretation of oops, I'm about to mess up here, I shouldn't actually kill that other player or I'll become a PK. Clearly from civil chat and in this forum, he didn't want to be a PK, and it seems he didn't know he had become one.

Like Sexykills I haven't spoken to him about this, but I'm inclined to believe he was confused, not intentionally trying to talk his way out something he did intentioinally.

I also agree with Sexykills that a revised PK guide should be stickied in the forums, one that makes it very clear that if you actually type "Playerkill" you instantly become a PK, even if you never go on and kill another player. Personally I thought that was the old "Secret PK" thing that was eliminated along time ago.

[concede]

When forcing you get a prompt that tells you typing 'PLAYERKILL' will profoundly affect your character. I don't think this aspect of the game is confusing in the slightest. Though some adjustments and updates do need to be done due to see multiple rules to the pk system with quite a few not being implemented currently.

For someone who has spent a grand in the past month or two i think some accommodations should be made to keep those who are supporting the game happy. Although his topic with altered footage i'm sure destroyed any chance of that. If you banned Crusher for this instance though Glitch why didn't Thorin get a ban for falsifying information as well?

Both are more or less the same case...in which you punished one and let the other walk freely. Maybe a bad day but living along the coast i find it hard to believe there would be many bad days. May be more behind it as well...

[Roo]

Originally Posted by concede

If you banned Crusher for this instance though Glitch why didn't Thorin get a ban for falsifying information as well?

Because Thorin is a soldier who's account was stolen while he was in Afghanastan, right after Helzing bought it from him.

[concede]

on top of that roo...
i'm talking about how he created 2k likes on fb with bunk accounts in hopes of speeding up an in-game patch.

Sorry but he has done far more offensive and unjust things than anyone playing nod at this point....not every solider is a hero, that completely destroys the word if so.

[Thomas Jordan]

Back on topic . . .

I just reread the PK guide. It doesn't state you become a PK as soon as you type "Playerkiller," if you then don't go on and kill another player. Again, based on what Crusher put on the forums and in civil chat yesterday, it doesn't appear that he was aware that he had become a pk because he hadn't yet killed another player. Unfortunately for him, as soon as he forced on the group of PKs so that they could renew their PK status, he did complete the last step required to become a pk, and died as a result of it.

It would be interesting to hear from one of the three players that PKKed him as to where or not he began flashing red as soon as he forced on them. Presumably he did based on the information in the PK guide.

Still, I'm inclined to believe this was an honest mistake. As Concede pointed out above, one that he shouldn't have made, but I don't think he was trying to cheat the system, so to speak.

[concede]

from what i know Tj....crusher being a lower lvl pk forced a couple higher lvls. Because he was in pk status and they were out of his range he did not flash. The pk trio mentioned something along these lines.

There were also ppl saying in civil that he had gone pk prior to that day but if he had screenshots of being grouped with non pk accounts that could validate some of the argument.

Player Guides on the forums need to be readdressed plain and simple....I nominate Daer.
In-game however, you get the prompt:

"Attacking them will make you a PK forever. Dying as a PK is permanent - you lose everything except paid upgrades. PKs cannot group with nonPK's. Do you really want to become a PK?"

you click 'yes' and then you get a 2nd prompt where you actually type PLAYERKILL(yes it must be in caps).

After typing PLAYERKILL you start to flash regardless if you never entered combat...must kill the opponent not in a shared clan or same ip/email to get bonus.

It would be hard for someone to forget this instance or not understand what they are doing.

[Underkid]

Thank you Sexy, seems ppl like to talk without trying to understand the situation at all - it's not the number of posts in the forums that matter, but the usefullness of those... but maybe that's just me.

Moving on, i agree with TJ, im not taking sides here, just trying to understand what happened, cause both crusher and tiralak's group didnt understand what happened. If Glitch could show us his logs and tell us when did Crusher type playerkill, maybe we could clear this situation.

As far as being group with phantomic when his alt went pk, that wouldn't make him pk, it wouldnt even let phantomic become pk in the first place, at least it used to be this way.

I wouldn't want Crusher to be accused unfairly (wich im not saying is the case), nor glitchless being accused of harsh judgment (then again not saying it is the case). Just want this solved, fair and square, for the awesomeness of our nod community

Sorry for bothering and thank you for your concern, love u all

[Enduir]

Originally Posted by Underkid

If Glitch could show us his logs and tell us when did Crusher type playerkill, maybe we could clear this situation.

Like I said, bugs happen but player error is more common. If he says it's in the logs, I'll have to take Glitch's word over Crusher's.

If Crusher can legitimately show that he was not PK and the system was at fault, then I'll happily admit I was wrong. I've been wrong before, I'm sure I'll be wrong again.

But history suggests that players sometimes chance their arm if they mess up and try to get reimbursed.....the logs apparently show he forced on someone but didn't enter combat.....and was Crusher avoiding the issue regarding Question 2 or just not phrasing his answer in a clear way?

Originally Posted by Enduir

Then think very carefully whether you want to answer question number 2.

2) Anyone else had access to that toon?

Originally Posted by Crusher

nope i was on it m8t ...... ive been grouped all day long with alts... that are not even pks

"I was on it" =/= "No one else has had access", not to me at least.

Again, the only person who has anything resembling evidence is Glitch. With the cash Crusher has been dropping lately, why would Glitch deliberately try to alienate him....? My guess is, not without good reason.

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[Underkid]

Many ppl have pmed me ingame asking why was i defending crusher if im against scammers/liars and such, and im not defending him, as i said before... i just want to understand what happened, and im not sure if this is true, but tiralak told me she got no pkk nor pk points for perma killing crusher, and crusher had been in group with non pkers that day, and i always though pkers couldnt group with non pkers, at least i couldnt when i was a pker... and about crusher spending money, i know its good for business, but i dont care about that, everyone deserves equality when being dealt with...