Bladow!

[paultwloha]

Originally Posted by Smashbros

sooo when i have my poison dots back in play, which archers wanna be my bum buddy??

Mmmm. Smashys Bum. I <3 Aussie Bum. PICK ME.

[Andressan]

Ranger/archer with poisons and a druid/ranger with epic r20 poisons is made of win as a group or even 2 of one of these and a third of the other could work nicely. Lets say you get a legend suit for DoTs just t1 morphed that's 27% extra dmg towards DoTs and lets say r4++ torture but maxed class bonuses and dark patience that's like 2056 DoT dmg per r20 and you could get at least 2 of those and 2 regular r20s (1834 each) all x2 for 2 casters using them (all this is not counting outbreaks or deathflows) and a poison shot or flameshot (75 avg) going on while the ranger dishes out 1 r20 e DoT (1787) and then........
BLADOW!! out of a possible 17422 dmg you probly get a 13-14k rupture accounting for normal DoT time dealing it's dmg. Even without that bladow this could make a good boss hunting group Do I hear arena team???

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by cleanprophet

"Every point in this skill provides a 1% chance for successful ranged shots to cause burns and poisons to immediately deal their full damage when their combined total exceeds the current health of the target."

Glitchless is to the English language what Adam Sandler is to comedy. The enemy.

If the poison/fire damage exceeds the remaining HP of the target, the damage will be applied immediately (instant death).

[Gurnison]

So bladow is total dots from the entire group from all sources, right? Including weapon proc, slice, envenom, pet bleeds, etc?

[Roeth]

Burns and poisons only - slice/wound are bleed

[Gurnison]

Whoops. I knew that, wasn't thinking.

Don't play much these days.

Thanks

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by nekkid

Ive never broke 750 with my slashers.

Originally Posted by Killda

ok, casters got buffed, 2h got buffed, DoTs got buffed, bow users got buffed, who's next now Glitch ?

I've been playing this game for over 3 years now and when I first started dual wield slashers were the best. Then this slowly changed to archers. And then someone figured out that archers wiith whips or with a whip and shield were OP and so this was nerfed by Glitchless by adding the range haste penalty for equipping whips and/or shields whilst autoshooting.

Over time I have seen BM's/Whip users get buffed, casters, 2Handers, DOT's and now bow users and the good old dual wields have now fallen behind. I play 5 characters and 3 of those are my mains and 2 just for fun.

About 6 weeks ago I re-rolled a lvl 85 Ranger/Druid because it was garbage. Now it uses 2 handed piercers and is way ahead of it's old self. In the old days this would never have happened.

My main is a dual wield slasher with 20 billion experience and he has trouble fighting heroic in north lake without losing half of his hp's. If I equip one whip then the damage cuts back to almost zero with the extra heals but why should I have to use a whip. My beastmaster with 6 billion less experience fights comfortably in heroic and takes almost zero damage. The highest crit I have had with my slashers is around 650 and that is with deathblow. This doesn't even come close to the damage that casters/2 handers/bow users are now doing. And then you throw in whip users healing and my dual wield slasher gets slaughtered by everyone.

These are my personal observations over the years and I think it is now time to even things up once again by giving more damage to dual wields or more protection somehow as they completely struggle to heal themselves. Just take a look at AH with numerous epic 99 1H piercer TP's for sale. And the fact that there is no 75% combat zone at level 85 cap means that casters/whip users are only going to get stronger whilst the others fall behind once again.

I applaud Glitchless for constantly trying to even things up but every buff seems to screw someone else over and now we have come almost full circle except that dual wields are now the weakest in the game.

[Gurnison]

Well, I'm certainly not going to complain about this patch because I have an archer/ranger that I was already moving in the direction of DOTs. Seems like a nice buff. I've hardly played for 5 months now and this might even motivate me to play a little more to see what my archer can do.

But yea, I mostly agree with Nighthawk. I've never really considered slasher a strong build though. It might have been strong with DW Zombie claws, but that's only a handful of levels and most people blew right past that. Also ZCs were not very common in the early game so not many people had them.

But the thing about this game is that we are getting very close to 3 years since the first people reached cap. When you have very large numbers of people at cap for over 1-3 years, the strength of builds early in the game don't mean a thing. The strength of builds at cap far outweigh any strengths or weaknesses of getting there.

Contrary to what Glitchless said early in the game (that it would not be about DPS), this game is *ALL* about DPS and always has been. It doesn't matter if you are a tank, caster, healer, PVP, PVE, arena junkie, or anything else. It's all about DPS. DPS=trophies. DPS=gold. DPS=drops and epics. You kill faster, you get stronger, period.

In 3 years I've never asked for a buff for myself. In 3 years I'll do it once. I'm asking for a buff for slashers. Death Blow and Vengeance were nice, but not enough, especially considering they are both special circumstance skills.

When a capped toon with every single weapon skill above level takes a minute to kill a mob, while another toon with less skills takes 1/4 that time, something is wrong. I understand different builds having different strengths. However a DW slasher is not a healer. A DW slasher is not a tank. A DW slasher should be a killer, but they aren't.

/end off-topic rant

[Jadakris]

I agree with the off-topic rant aswell..

But truthfully, slash does have its high points.. It's hard to get a strong feedback on a class/weapon type most of the time however.. Cause sometimes you don't really see how a class can function, or weapon type until you actually overskill alot..

I did notice that overskilling my archer didn't really have much effect per level (Exploit Weakness takes many constantly hits rather than VS your health).. I mean, in an average battle during farming.. I don't even fire that many shots..

Broadhead is an excellent skill, again however it is very costly to use high ranked Broadhead gems.. It basically eliminates the possiblity of hybridizing into a caster.. (using reasonably ranked gems anyhow)

Slashers however are just mediocre.. I agree with what your saying that they need buffed somehow or another, but its very hard to think of a balanced way to swing it..

I mean I use an 85 slasher..DW whips, or 81/94 Slash combo..

I can hit for 2.9k~ in full deathblow mode possibly even 3k.. But I average out hitting like 1-1.4k.. which is what my 94 slasher can hit aswell as a max.. (1.5k so far).. I can tank like hell too..

[Raith]

I can't really say I think this OP'd archers any. It would be hard to understate how bad their dps tended to be beforehand, though they had the bonus of being able to be a mediocre anything (whips or shield or DD) instead of only being good at 1 role. I imagine that the biggest buff in here is yet another role-play for archers (being grouped with/tanking for 1 or 2 great DoTers and getting their poison/burn to pop when they stacked it high enough) more so than a solo OP buff. Time saver (bladow) and an occasional OMG BIG CRIT... though, for what it is worth, I found a 92 bow, put it back on, and used my DoT pouch to test it out. Despite still having some archery skills, the grind doesn't even compare with DD grinding. But I dropped a few trops into Bladow and Megacrit and sure enough saw a few 1k+ crits right away, and got bladow pops as high as 1500.

[kingnutty]

Bladow

[Jadakris]

I agree, Xela is a well build archer.. he has a small DD build.. and I'm going to to get more mana/energy here shortly once my dot skills get up some..

I personally think the DoT build will be better.. considering most poison DoTs are the best..And they are far less expensive in terms of mana/energy.. compared to DD's which don't even get many skill bonuses (I use green gems since its a ranger)..


Offtopic again:
If you haven't broke 750 with an 81(correct me if im wrong) slasher, you haz some serious skills to get!

[Killda]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

Offtopic again:
If you haven't broke 750 with an 81(correct me if im wrong) slasher, you haz some serious skills to get!

I have 611str, 89 slash, 81 crit, 81 overcrit, 81 slash spec, 69 vengeance, 69 deathblow, and I never broke a crit above 730 with an 81 epic slasher, and the 730 crit is rare and only comes with deathblow (mob hp < 25%) and fighting with 1/2 or less HP (to get vengeance bonus)...

I don't have OP skills at all, but i think they are decent, so no ... it's not easy to go 750 and above with slashers .

P.S. i don't complain, i like slashers, just putting down some facts and figures

[nekkid]

I have 622 STR 100 slash 96 crit 95 overcrit 88 ss 69 ven 69 db and Rune of Pain 4 ++. I guess what I'm saying is I think Jada is as full of it as a christmas turkey when he claims these huge crits...as I seem to recall him saying in chat that he could crit 1.5K WITHOUT deathblow. Of course I guess he may have gotten 800 or so on a sand snake,but I dont make a habit of farming sand snakes.

I hope to get a set of 99s someday,then maybe I'll get some big hit and decent kills,but until then I'll keep plugging along as a wimp.

794 on a sand snake!

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by Jadakris

I can hit for 2.9k~ in full deathblow mode possibly even 3k.. But I average out hitting like 1-1.4k.. which is what my 94 slasher can hit aswell as a max.. (1.5k so far).. I can tank like hell too..

If you are saying you can hit this with an 81/94 slasher combo then I'm sorry but I think you must be looking at something else. I want to see a screenie of this.

Originally Posted by Jadakris

If you haven't broke 750 with an 81(correct me if im wrong) slasher, you haz some serious skills to get!

I'm a weaponmaster with 94 CE, 92 CS, Str 509, Dex 299, Slash 99, Crit 89, Overcrit 89, Slash Spec 89, Veng 67, DB 62 & pain rune 4++ and the highest crit I have seen with dual 81 slashers is 680 and they are very rare. most crits average 400 - 520.

[Jerzy]

Agree with what everyone else has said....I have a 99 epic 1H slash and I have rarely hit above 1.5k. All my skills in (slash related and general) weapons are at least 85. I cannot, even if I was at almost 0 health, imagine a 3k slash hit.

[Jadakris]

Because you don't hunt in heroic mode for starters.. I do blacks and such for fun

[Jadakris]

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[Jadakris]

your losing out on like ALOT of % of DMG from 69 Deathblow/Veng

If you so stupid to realize this is your number one problem then reroll and join the crushers and quit crying.. Or man up and actually skill before you make a bitch ok?

I came, I saw, I did, It suck, I bitched it changed.
You came, you saw, you tried, it was terrible, you emo cried.

ok?


Yes, that is full veng/deathblow as a hit from an 85 slasher.. I have broken 3k with it many times.. And I have only 507 STR..
Anything over 450-500 is WASTE. You probably have too little Dex, and same with defense skills..

/Nerdrage