Old 01-20-2011, 01:07 PM   #21
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...The only real PKers around are Boog, Trojan, and Driiveby...
Aww... I guess I'm not active enough for you :'(

Ask any of my recent victims how real I am, though. That #1 spot will be mine one day...


On a more serious note. I do not support this idea.

The slight modification I have thought of before would be to reduce the number of days of bonus that are granted for a kill to maybe 1 or 2 days, and give it unlimited stacking. This would encourage people to actually go on killing sprees.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:17 PM   #22
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I mean it won't exactly fix the issue.
Killing fake PKs is near impossible for several reasons:

They drink r500 AC potions
they only farm on certain days
i don't have grinder
they are OPed because they get 3x trophies (with barely any actual risk)
they do setups miles away from zones where people their level farm
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For slow effects, use the slow % but as a negative.

Just repeat for multiple effects.

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Old 01-20-2011, 05:25 PM   #23
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Ok how about this. from now everyone post whether you like or dislike my idea, and whether you like or dislike the current system.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:28 PM   #24
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IF you want to fix the PK system so that is isn't just used for trophies theres a few things you need to do.

1, Stop being jealous
2, Get OP
3, Kill some PK's

Another thing you could do is something like I'm sure people have mentioned, is like say your a level 67-70 PK like most of them are, make them have higher and higher PKK points needed to actually reap full bonus..

So you start at 3 but can drop to as low as 1.5 bonus if you don't actually keep increasing the amount of PK points you get weekly..

And your problem is solved, thank you.. And I'm sorry for all PK's who will hate me for it..

I mean it won't exactly fix the issue, however slowly over time they will either before forced to go on a killing spree, or level up past their current max level which would reset the timer..

You have to keep you mindset for the true player killer who does it to overskill and become powerful aswell. This gives incentives to redeem, and actually PK again later on..
-they get pk points for setups.
-pking should be for killing people for fun and profit, with a risk, not killing people who agree to die so that you can exploit a system to get bonus exp
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:29 PM   #25
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sorry but i need to answer this man...

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Killing fake PKs is near impossible for several reasons:

They drink r500 AC potions - Drink a Bigger One!! not that expensive
they only farm on certain days - get here that day... its your fault if u are not here to hunt
i don't have grinder - get it!!!
they are OPed because they get 3x trophies (with barely any actual risk) - And they started OP? how about kill em when they are not.. or play more time so u are more op.. or better yet.. hunt 3 vs 1!!! or get a shield on 2 chars and get some infinite testudo/taunt.
they do setups miles away from zones where people their level farm -stay on those zones to hunt faster.. or actually t2.. is normally near there...
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:42 PM   #26
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:23 PM   #27
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LAME...

Oh so lame
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:21 PM   #28
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-they get pk points for setups.
-pking should be for killing people for fun and profit, with a risk, not killing people who agree to die so that you can exploit a system to get bonus exp
they pay people to let them PK them, why not pay those people more to get the info before hand??
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Old 01-20-2011, 10:21 PM   #29
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all the "go kill them yourself" arguements suck.

Regular players tend not to be as interested in min/maxing and exploiting a game system as much as people who would set up pk's and have mapped out locations to then farm with no risk.

Your pitting a group of mostly hardcore style players against people that want to play the game fairly and don't dig the econ being abused and dominated in a way that they cannot meaningfully interact with without becoming hardcore pyschotics themselves.

It's assine. The bonus should go. Period. Make points qualify all star pkers for rewards just like arena, and get rid of the stupid bonus.

Next problem.

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WOW great ideas huggles and we could call it romper room pk as we bitch about why nobody pks using this solution lol need i say FAIL!!!

only one solution as the game intended to control pkers and that is get off your lazy azz and hunt them, as for your lame azz excuses what pkers dont use pots and try to not be killed lol god must i go on...

the problem is not pkers or bonus pkers its the whine azz lazy players , get off your azzes and fix your own issues instead of bothering Glitchless bout them ...
this is the way the system works deal with it hunt or dont hunt nobody cares but dont just whine about things your not willing to help fix lol

that simple and blunt enough for you ;P
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all the "go kill them yourself" arguements suck.

Regular players tend not to be as interested in min/maxing and exploiting a game system as much as people who would set up pk's and have mapped out locations to then farm with no risk.

Your pitting a group of mostly hardcore style players against people that want to play the game fairly and don't dig the econ being abused and dominated in a way that they cannot meaningfully interact with without becoming hardcore pyschotics themselves.

It's assine. The bonus should go. Period. Make points qualify all star pkers for rewards just like arena, and get rid of the stupid bonus.

Next problem.
no offence, but your a ****ing retard.

the fix is easy:

you dont want people abusing the system?? abuse it yourself, get OP, and then go kill the ****ers that were abusing it.
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no offence, but your a ****ing retard.

the fix is easy:

you dont want people abusing the system?? abuse it yourself, get OP, and then go kill the ****ers that were abusing it.
you just made the point of my entire arguement. nice going genius. =-0
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you just made the point of my entire arguement. nice going genius. =-0
wow really?!?! who would of thought.....
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Old 01-21-2011, 03:34 AM   #34
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Killing fake PKs is near impossible for several reasons:

They drink r500 AC potions
they only farm on certain days
i don't have grinder
they are OPed because they get 3x trophies (with barely any actual risk)
they do setups miles away from zones where people their level farm
If you would actually read my suggestion it means that each time they expire, they have to kill MORE PEOPLE.. So say the first few weeks they setup 1 kill the next they have to setup 2, or something or other.. At the end of month 1, they've already got to kill something like 3-4x the amount they did before, so do the math.. It would eventually drowned out the ability to setup 1 PK/week.. Meaning to collect the full bonus they would have to kill a large amount of people in a couple of months.. Slowly giving them time to work themselves up.. Yet giving PKK's a better chance to actually catch them..

And ofcourse, it would have to be a limited amount of PKK points/week to renew, would be insane if they had to get like 5000 PKK points just to keep their 3x bonus.. but if they redeem at this cap point, the can restart PKing and have half the amount of PKK' points needed each week upto the cap again.. in an infinite cycle until it gets back down to where it currently stands..

Meaning they have to work really hard to get to where they are now..


Which means surely after awhile they will have to actually go Spree.. It's way better than your piss poor idea.

Altho Reroller had a nice suggestion aswell..

Fact of the matter is, the only people complaining about the PK bonus are people who are jealous and lazy.. I for one don't really care, I gain EXP nearly as fast as most PK's do.. I actually do go out and hunt PK's from time to time when my RRT is low, and yes they are/were superduper OP.. But if they can't PEW PEW 3 people at once, 9 chances out of 10 they are dead..

Hell, I've even PKK'd Quil/Makah etc etc back in the days with my alts before they started eating their own trophies.. they were incredibly weaksauce and still managed..

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WOW great ideas huggles and we could call it romper room pk as we bitch about why nobody pks using this solution lol need i say FAIL!!!

only one solution as the game intended to control pkers and that is get off your lazy azz and hunt them, as for your lame azz excuses what pkers dont use pots and try to not be killed lol god must i go on...

the problem is not pkers or bonus pkers its the whine azz lazy players , get off your azzes and fix your own issues instead of bothering Glitchless bout them ...
this is the way the system works deal with it hunt or dont hunt nobody cares but dont just whine about things your not willing to help fix lol

that simple and blunt enough for you ;P
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don't change pk system i like it because i exploit it on my high level account(s) and then feed my low level pkks, thus killing any real pkks. (pause for random swearing). if the system is changed i will be mad because i won't get something i want for once. until then, i will keep whining at anyone who posts any idea that makes the pk system fair, because fair pk system is bad for me because it is hard to exploit. kthnx bai
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all the "go kill them yourself" arguements suck.

Regular players tend not to be as interested in min/maxing and exploiting a game system as much as people who would set up pk's and have mapped out locations to then farm with no risk.

Your pitting a group of mostly hardcore style players against people that want to play the game fairly and don't dig the econ being abused and dominated in a way that they cannot meaningfully interact with without becoming hardcore pyschotics themselves.

It's assine. The bonus should go. Period. Make points qualify all star pkers for rewards just like arena, and get rid of the stupid bonus.

Next problem.
holy shi** somebody on the forums has a brain and the capacity to understand reason and logic!
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xulos doesnt have any high level PKs huggles nice try tho
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holy shi** somebody on the forums has a brain and the capacity to understand reason and logic!
well we know it aint you and cinder. your both retarded,
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well we know it aint you and cinder. your both retarded,
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Old 01-21-2011, 04:02 PM   #40
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well she does use the infinte testudo "feature." but anyhow...

So im the only one in here with a rational perspective on the pk system? everyone else offers impassioned incomprehensible gibberish? At least jada tried, if only for a second before saying:

"IF you want to fix the PK system so that is isn't just used for trophies theres a few things you need to do.

1, Stop being jealous
2, Get OP
3, Kill some PK's"

So he's out the race.

I do like the ideas of perhaps an escalating system of required kills, or makav's suggestion to make pk'ing have to cost a fee and have the trophie bonus ONLY build up if they spree, but i could STILL be gamed. I'd only recommend it as an Also-ran next to just making the pk system a points scoring for rewards style system. You could even eliminate permadeath if thats the case, just make a pk'er dying result in something else annoying. losing any saved rt rrt? Losing 5x there level in rt (like dying to mob only more painful?)

Being unable to leave town for x amount of game hours? (like being jailed? (daers idea i believe.)

Whatever people agree upon, it's been then the economy being warped and dominated by the exploitive nature of the current pk system.
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